tangentially I feel like Batman could never jive with leftist ideology anyhow. His whole thing is beating and scaring the crime out of people, which is in contrast to the leftist idea that crime happens because the needs of individuals (physical, psychological, and social) are not met by their material conditions.
Nah, you’re right, it definitely isn’t as simple as all due to the material conditions, although I do tend to think the majority of crime is due to them. At the same time, I’m not sure I’m using material conditions in the correct technical sense, and was thinking about including a , “someone feel free to correct my usage” note in my comment. I also wasnt really itching for a super in-depth conversation about it, even though your question
do you think Trump is lacking in material conditions?
is a really interesting one that I’d need to think and talk about a lot. I think if we had appropriate non coercive controls against accumulation of property, while also living in a society that met the physical, psychological, and social needs of its people, Trump perhaps would not be a criminal.
This comes from my tendency to think people are more inherently good than evil, and that much of the evil comes from the patriarchal culture of accumulation
Because crime to account for material needs is the easiest route to lowering crime you just need to have a government that represents the people and not private interests, also consider that living in a corrupt unforgiving oligarchy isn’t doing a god damn thing for mental health either.
Well you can’t fix it from within the system. You can’t fix it with vigilantism, but it can be fixed as every other country in earth has fixed this problem.
There was time to fix it from within the system. That was before the fascist dictator was elected. There is no fix at this point. The good news is it will almost certainly come all crashing down due to incompetence and you only have a few years before global warming because a much bigger problem than healthcare anyway.
What do I want? A socialist utopia. I’m just not under any illusions about it happening in America.
You apparently do. Trump has nothing, whatsoever, to do with the state of healthcare, and won’t. The ACA was a Republican think tank health plan, and is directly responsible for the state we’re in. Healthcare reform hasn’t been on the table in a serious manner in this country, from any party.
Trump has everything to do with the fact that there is not going to be any chance to do any sort of progressive reforms in America again in the foreseeable future. Just like there are not going to be any elections again in the foreseeable future.
Batman repeatedly made attempts at systemic change using his wealth. It’s kind of his arc - he starts young out of anger and rage with his only limit being he would not kill. As he ages, his various funds and programs he starts run into roadblocks from criminals seeking to exploit vulnerabilities in then to enrich themselves. But his biggest problem (in Gotham at least) is that there are many villains who simply want to fight progress because it makes them feel good. His money can do a lot of the work, but his particular skills allow him to apprehend some of the biggest challenges to his goals.
But he’s still human. He’s still deeply flawed. That’s sort of the whole point. He’s not fixing everything alone, he can’t. None of us can.
Lets be real, Batman’s method of vigilantism was to beat up the people being hurt the most by the system, the poor, the lonely, the mentally unhinged, he didn’t really participate in going after the people responsible for sad state of affairs in Gotham.
Also you cant fix this country with a fully captured government either, so is your point that we should just give up?
Or will you accept that in this case, the plural of vigilante is revolutionaries.
Ah yes, the great revolution that’s been coming any day now my entire life that will set everything right.
Weird how this revolution didn’t happen before the fascist dictator got into power when it might have had a much greater chance of success.
I don’t really care what you do. Feel free to think America will be a socialist paradise with permanent Republican rule and if it isn’t, the people who either voted for Trump or didn’t give enough of a shit to vote at all will totally rise up and change things. Sounds probable.
Explain how Batman was not a wealthy crypto bro working though a mental crisis ?
lmaooo
tangentially I feel like Batman could never jive with leftist ideology anyhow. His whole thing is beating and scaring the crime out of people, which is in contrast to the leftist idea that crime happens because the needs of individuals (physical, psychological, and social) are not met by their material conditions.
Like, why do people always jump to thinking there can only be one correct option out of multiple choices?
I am sure there are many people committing crimes because they can’t fulfill their basic needs any other way.
But do you think Trump is lacking in material conditions? People are diverse and they commit crimes for diverse reasons.
Nah, you’re right, it definitely isn’t as simple as all due to the material conditions, although I do tend to think the majority of crime is due to them. At the same time, I’m not sure I’m using material conditions in the correct technical sense, and was thinking about including a , “someone feel free to correct my usage” note in my comment. I also wasnt really itching for a super in-depth conversation about it, even though your question
is a really interesting one that I’d need to think and talk about a lot. I think if we had appropriate non coercive controls against accumulation of property, while also living in a society that met the physical, psychological, and social needs of its people, Trump perhaps would not be a criminal.
This comes from my tendency to think people are more inherently good than evil, and that much of the evil comes from the patriarchal culture of accumulation
Because crime to account for material needs is the easiest route to lowering crime you just need to have a government that represents the people and not private interests, also consider that living in a corrupt unforgiving oligarchy isn’t doing a god damn thing for mental health either.
You do realize none of what you wrote answers my question nor contradicts anything I wrote, right?
Lol responded to the wrong comment.
Relevant HIGNFY
Good point ☝️
Also batman didn’t change the systemic issues with Gotham.
This is exactly what I have been saying since the assassination. You cannot fix systemic problems with vigilantism.
Did anyone’s coverage go down? No. Did UHC just deny the claim of a woman in a coma? Yes.
https://www.newsweek.com/united-healtchare-claim-deny-brian-thompson-luigi-mangione-insurance-2008307
You cannot fix systemic problems with vigilantism.
Well you can’t fix it from within the system. You can’t fix it with vigilantism, but it can be fixed as every other country in earth has fixed this problem.
The fuck do you people want then?
Fix it within the system using the threat of vigilantism as the or else.
That’s how we got worker rights… threat of communism.
There was time to fix it from within the system. That was before the fascist dictator was elected. There is no fix at this point. The good news is it will almost certainly come all crashing down due to incompetence and you only have a few years before global warming because a much bigger problem than healthcare anyway.
What do I want? A socialist utopia. I’m just not under any illusions about it happening in America.
No, there demonstrably wasn’t. This happened under Biden.
Sorry, do you think time began in 2020?
You apparently do. Trump has nothing, whatsoever, to do with the state of healthcare, and won’t. The ACA was a Republican think tank health plan, and is directly responsible for the state we’re in. Healthcare reform hasn’t been on the table in a serious manner in this country, from any party.
Trump has everything to do with the fact that there is not going to be any chance to do any sort of progressive reforms in America again in the foreseeable future. Just like there are not going to be any elections again in the foreseeable future.
You still think things are fixable in the U.S.
You are in for a rude awakening.
Batman repeatedly made attempts at systemic change using his wealth. It’s kind of his arc - he starts young out of anger and rage with his only limit being he would not kill. As he ages, his various funds and programs he starts run into roadblocks from criminals seeking to exploit vulnerabilities in then to enrich themselves. But his biggest problem (in Gotham at least) is that there are many villains who simply want to fight progress because it makes them feel good. His money can do a lot of the work, but his particular skills allow him to apprehend some of the biggest challenges to his goals.
But he’s still human. He’s still deeply flawed. That’s sort of the whole point. He’s not fixing everything alone, he can’t. None of us can.
Lets be real, Batman’s method of vigilantism was to beat up the people being hurt the most by the system, the poor, the lonely, the mentally unhinged, he didn’t really participate in going after the people responsible for sad state of affairs in Gotham.
Also you cant fix this country with a fully captured government either, so is your point that we should just give up?
Or will you accept that in this case, the plural of vigilante is revolutionaries.
Ah yes, the great revolution that’s been coming any day now my entire life that will set everything right.
Weird how this revolution didn’t happen before the fascist dictator got into power when it might have had a much greater chance of success.
I don’t really care what you do. Feel free to think America will be a socialist paradise with permanent Republican rule and if it isn’t, the people who either voted for Trump or didn’t give enough of a shit to vote at all will totally rise up and change things. Sounds probable.
https://youtu.be/8l1PMVvfjDM