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He was quoted out of context. He wants to separately eliminate daylight, savings, and time.
Works on contingency? No, money down!
Every time this topic comes up I wonder how many computer systems this will break. Maybe we find out soon if this is really realized.
It wont be too bad. If you mean computers used commercially, Unix keeps a running total of seconds since the epoch and DST only affects whats displayed as time. Nothing will fundamentally change for these systems. In windows server products it wont be a problem, and some windows clients use an automatic patch process. Air gapped computers may have some hacky process around DST, but its a pretty solved problem.
I’d bet it actually simplifies as least as many things as it breaks. Basically all computers already keep track of time as a count of seconds since a UTC epoch anyway, and then do timezone conversions on top of that.
Well, in essence yes. But I have seen enough mishandling and homegrown stuff of custom date-time calculations that this could get interesting. I suspect that there are a lot of systems where the TZ database is never updated which at least will result in shifted displayed local time.
Also, it is fun to get data from old programs and also from userinput where the actual offset has to be guessed from the timezone. And if that conversion data is old, fun is had. It does not matter how time is represented internally in this case.
There are probably hundreds of thousands of devices out there that are smart enough to know about time zones but old enough that there no chance of a software update, for example APC UPSs and power strips used in data centres world wide and years beyond end of support.
As long as they can get tzdata / Olsen db updates before the first change, there’s usually no problem. But, I’m sure there are still devices out there using the OLD US switchover dates from the Bush era, because they have a different, possibly “hard-coded” rule set.
I don’t know who chose that headlining image of him pointing (and looking) at the sun, but it’s perfect.
I’m imagining thousands of Americans doing the same and some shooting firearms at the sun too.
If I remember correctly, the issue last time is that they wanted us on permanent Daylight Savings Time, instead of Standard Time. So I expect Trump to force the U.S. onto permanent DST, just because all science says it would be worse for us than going to Standard.
I hate Trump as much as the next guy, but I want permanent DST. I want it to be light when I get home so I can spend some time outside without a flashlight. I don’t care if it’s dark in the morning, I’m working. Don’t tell me to just work different hours, I already work 6am-3pm, which is the earliest I’m allowed at my current job, and a lot earlier than allowed by many jobs. I still only get about an hour before dark where I live.
Sunrise here 10:20 and sunset 12:30. Darkness is our fren
Darkness is our fren
Have they come to talk with you again?
Yes, because a vision softly creeping left its seeds while I was sleeping.
How is it worse? I want permanent DST so bad
Standard time is better for health, someone made a better argument for it in some other thread
Ah an argument, well I guess it’s settled then and it won’t ever be worse than the other way around
Right, you’re free to look it up further but it messes with the internal clock or something. For my latitude, DST sucks
Fuck that. Clock noon and solar noon need to diverge less, not more.
Science says it’s better to have day light in the morning and dark at night
But people aren’t waking up at 5am and going to bed at 5pm so it really doesn’t enforce standard time
To avoid confusion, all of the US will be on DTT (Donald Trump Time), which will vary based on where he currently is.
Do not give him ideas, please.
Seeing a lot of talk on here about keeping Standard or DST.
Oh my God for the love of all that’s holy just let them pick one!
I don’t care if the sun comes up at 2:00am or 2:00pm or even if the sun fuckin’ sets at 12:00 noon. Just pick a time and stick with it. Holy shitsnax.
Couldn’t have stated it more succinctly myself. Just pick one and stop this idiocy
I would just like to point out that you in fact did a great job stating it more succinctly than the post you replied to 😄
Upvote for shitsnax… sploosh
This is one policy I would like to see followed through with.
To be specific, we make it such that the current daylight savings time is the norm.
Literally the only good idea he’s ever had.
He also promised to legalize weed. He said the left would oppose it because it came from him. Then everyone said yes please. Then we didn’t hear anything else about it.
In 2016 he promised universal Healthcare on accident describing how he would fix Obamacare. Then we didn’t hear anything else about it.
It’s not even his idea, though. It’s been introduced by Marco Rubio 4 times, starting in 2018.
Will y’all shut the fuck up and act like you don’t want this? You’re going to ruin it.
We absolutely need to start protesting this so he makes it a priority.
This is literally how to shape his entire presidency and keep him from completely destroying the country. This move right here, every time.
Let’s make a list of things and how to complain and stick to the script.
I’ll go first. Man, I love tariffs!
The only way that Democrats will eventually come out on top here is massive tariffs. We have to get the word out and thank Donald Trump for his concept of a plan on tariffs.
Dang, I sure do love that Obama created daylight savings time. I hope it never goes away. Thanks Obama!
Some, if not all people agree that this makes him the YUGEST PRESIDENT OF ALL TIME
It’s weird how I watched VEEP last year and here it is coming true.
Can we get rid of timezones and switch to UTC please
I don’t want it to ever be -03:00. That shit is confusing as hell.
Lol I think it would just be 3 am or 9pm depending on which way you are talking
This was on the docket to be voted on in 2023 (i think, could have been 2022) and it never made it to the floor. Why? His cronies. They just let it fall by the side, probably so they could do it now. I’m so sick and tired of this shit show if a govt. Failed fucking state.
This needs to be top comment. So many little things he does that sane people like are just things Republicans blocked until they could be the ones to do the thing.
Any state can abolish DST on its own, some have already done so.
There was a bill in Congress to put the entire country on permanent DST (which states can’t do on their own). It died because (a) some states don’t want permanent DST, and (b) doctors have found that permanent DST is less healthy than no DST.
In fact, Congress already tried permanent DST briefly in the 70s. Some children were killed in early morning traffic accidents, schools responded by shifting their winter hours later, and the public generally turned against it.
Would that even work on Indian reservations - can congress override their choices?
Besides impotently complaining about it on the internet, what else can we do about it?
Impotently complain harder
Seriously, this was suppose to have happened like five years ago!
Finally something even the left can get behind.
This has been in talks for years already. This is not a Trump thing The Senate passed the act that would have removed it unanimously in 2022
With all this insane shit going on, it might actually end up having one benefit
The far-right former brasilien president did the same
Great policy. Misogynistic, racists, liar will say anything for attention, tho.
I want it to stay sprung forward, can’t remember if that’s DST or non. I feel like I’m in the minority, but fuck if I care if it’s dark in the morning I want sunlight for longer once I’m done working…
DST is sprung forward. It happens in the summer. Standard time is what the northern hemisphere is on now in the winter.
Fun fact. In the winter the sun is pretty close to its highest at Noon but I the summer that happens at 1:00 pm.
I suppose it makes some difference how far East to West you are in your timezone too, but this time of year I’m dark on my way to work and dark on my way home, if we were still in DST I’d have an hour of sunlight still after work. It’s only about 6 weeks that are that extreme for me but I’d still prefer DST. And I love the long summer nights when it’s light until almost 10 lol
Not just East to West but North to South too
I knew that in the sense of sunrise and sunset times, but thought maybe in terms of the sun being overhead at noon for example would travel north to South?
The EU’s proposed DST abolishment proposal would go to permanent DST time, too.
Unfortunate that it has been in the back burner for so long. It would genuinely be a good boon for the EU tech industry to abolish DST lol.
Same. This was part of Rubio’s “Sunshine Protection” think a couple years back, but does NOT seem to be part of that Trump has discussed so far.
