• Sundial@lemm.ee
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    3 days ago

    Kamala said that she wanted a cease fire

    Yes, just like Biden. And we all saw what he actually wanted, didn’t we?

    Voting third party is not a “fuck you” to anyone. No one who matters gives a shit about a third party vote.

    Yes it is. It’s a big fuck you to the Democrats who campaigned on thinking people would vote for them automatically because they’re not Trump. That failed epically.

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      2 days ago

      So we might as well just let Trump win and kill the Palestinians faster. What a champion of Palestine you are.

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        2 days ago

        Tell me something. What in the past 14 months has led you to believe that Biden was holding Israel back?

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          1 day ago

          You are changing the subject instead of defending your position.

          Biden has nothing to do with it. He wasn’t running for President.

          Kamala’s position was to strive for a ceasefire, and Trump’s position was to give Israel whatever they need to get the job done.

          By voting 3rd party, you’ve taken the position that these two options are identical in your eyes. Either Israel continues with likely similar reluctant support, or Israel continues with encouragement and unlimited support. Which do you think will lead to more Palestinian deaths?

          On top of this, this was Kamala’s weakest policy, and she still clearly wins out. You are not only willing to throw the Palestinians under the bus, you’re willing to throw trans people, women, and immigrants under the bus too. All of this so you can be on your high horse and pretend to be morally superior while enabling the worst future for everyone. Good job.

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            17 hours ago

            No I’m not. Harris is part of the Biden administration and she’s made it clear she wasn’t going to deviate from the current position that America currently has under Biden’s leadership. That means the same empty platitudes along with unwavering support for Israel no matter how many escalations Israel has. She didn’t strive for a ceasefire. That’s just meaningless rhetoric given she had no actual plan for it and coupled it with being insistent that “Israel has a right to defend itself” or Walz’s “I support Israel’s right to expand it’s borders” as they perform the wholesale slaughter of an entire ethnicity and culture.

            On top of this, this was Kamala’s weakest policy, and she still clearly wins out. You are not only willing to throw the Palestinians under the bus, you’re willing to throw trans people, women, and immigrants under the bus too.

            I acknowledged how bad Trump is in my above comment. I know what Trump means for a lot of minorities in America as well as the international political stage. I wasn’t talking about endorsing Trump. I said that the whole strategy of getting the Arab-American vote by saying “Trump is worse” was a very shitty strategy that backfired horribly. It’s common knowledge that a political candidate is not entitled by a vote simply by being the better of two options. You have to make people want to vote for you. As evidenced by the results of the elections. If she wanted the Arab-American vote, a key demographic in a critical swing state, she should have worked towards it. Not simply say “Well Trump is worse, so vote for me”, as she supports the slaughter of their people. It’s just an incredibly tone deaf and cruel thing to say to a population that is facing what they are facing.

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              None of that changes the fact that you had a choice between one possible future and a worse possible future, and you opted not to choose and to allow the worse future to arrive.

              I’ll make it simple for you by reframing my position, the position you were attempting to mock, as a simple syllogism:

              Premise one: Kamala’s policy on Palestine was better than Trump’s.

              You’ve asserted without evidence that Kamala’s stated policy is not true and that she would follow Biden’s established policy of providing unconditionally continued resourcing. Even if that is true, it is still better than Trump’s policy of providing even more unconditional resources.

              Premise two: If one is presented with only two options, and one of those options will be selected no matter what, one should select the better option.

              You have not provided any refutation to this point whatsoever.

              Conclusion: Because Kamala’s policies made her the better option of the two options, and one of them would certainly become president, one should have voted for Kamala.

              Unless you are able to refute the accuracy of the premises or show that the conclusion does not follow from those premises, you have nothing to stand on.

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            1 day ago

            Kamala’s position was to strive for a ceasefire,

            And it was an obvious lie, because she wouldn’t commit to an arms embargo or sanctions or any kind of consequences. She was just lying so that liberals could pretend like they weren’t voting for genocide.