Sony's Marvel universe ends with empty "Kraven" panel at CCXP, marking the conclusion of failed experiment in Spider-Man-less superhero films.
    • CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.worldEnglish
      71·
      8 days ago

      It could have. People would have said the same thing about Marvel if they knew what was cooking up in the mid 2000’s.

      They just lack the talent. As Dem Bosain pointed out, they can’t even pick the characters people want to see for spinoffs.

      • emax_gomax@lemmy.worldEnglish
        3·
        7 days ago

        I think the penguin is really shaped by the characters and the mob context. Spideys rogues gallery doesn’t have anything as gripping when spideys removed. Most of the characters also basically revolve around spider man so a story without him needs to find a way to fill the vacuum. Doc ock or lizard would basically just be boring science shows, goblin would be corporate action, or kraven would be nature doc. All of these are pretty boring.

        • pagenotfound@lemmy.worldEnglish
          5·
          7 days ago

          Eh I think this is where creative storytelling comes into play. James Gunn managed to make a group of C Listers in Guardians of the Galaxy tell a really compelling trilogy. In fact, I’d bet GOTG’s success is the blueprint Sony is trying to do with these Spidey baddies.

          • emax_gomax@lemmy.worldEnglish
            2·
            6 days ago

            I mean guardians of the galaxy is a very open concept. It’s basically cowboys in space. You can build onto that pretty easily in the direction you wanna go. None of apideys villains really have that kinda open background you can build on top of. And if you tried more likely than not you’d just make something unrecognisable. Like mysterio for example could probably pass in a real mystical environment where he relies on fake illusions but the end result would probs just be wizard of Oz :/.

      • acosmichippo@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        7 days ago

        I kind of disagree. it was a good show, but absolutely felt like it could have been anything other crime drama. I didn’t feel like there was any real point in making it about penguin.

        • pagenotfound@lemmy.worldEnglish
          3·
          7 days ago

          I’d argue it was a great way to show the immediate effects of “The Batman”. What the trauma of the flooding did to the common people of Crown Point and the power vacuum created by the death of Carmine Falcone. It also setup Penguin’s rise to power which means he will likely play a significant role in the Batman Crime Saga’s future.

          From a storytelling point of view, I can absolutely appreciate how the show organically grew the plot and setup Penguin’s roots into Gotham’s underworld.

  • Dem Bosain@midwest.socialEnglish
    23·
    8 days ago

    The Spiderverse movies are (so far) pretty good. Sony could have leveraged that into a franchise universe. Or, they could have run with popular characters (Michael Keaton’s Vulture spinoff?). Instead, we get Morbius, Madame Web, and Kraven. 3 back benchers nobody asked for.

    I heard Sony is dicking with the last Spiderverse script.

    • emax_gomax@lemmy.worldEnglish
      4·
      7 days ago

      A vulture prequel honestly could’ve worked. Maybe even just adapting the tinkerer style plot line with the vulture taking out a rival dealer whose much worse than him. Trouble with a parallel world vulture is that hiz dynamic with pete is basically the most interesting part of the character after homecoming and this would remove that.

  • The Snark Urge@lemmy.worldEnglish
    9·
    7 days ago

    If I had to choose between writing the script for… Whoever Kraven is and staying broke and unknown, I honestly

    Alright of course I’d do it, but under a pen name.