Dude straight up reached under the superstructure and pulled it up to show the ocean of resentment and righteous malice working class people have for the elites

The collective mind is willing, but the body politic is drowned by the old reactions and false consciousness

  • stink@lemmygrad.ml
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    52
    ·
    12 days ago

    I have a theory that many right-wingers have the same problems with the system as we do, but their understanding of it is just wrong.

    I related more with my gun-toting, trump supporting coworker in conversations than I ever did with my libshit coworker.

    He could talk about how the rich own everything, mentioned how the pandemic was the biggest transfer of wealth to the rich, etc. but then he would end up with libertarian views instead of communist ones, it’s shocking.

    I don’t know how we’ll ever shed light to them, but they hate rich people just as much as we do, unlike the liberals who idolize any rich person that does performative justice.

    • xiaohongshu [none/use name]@hexbear.net
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      34
      ·
      edit-2
      12 days ago

      It is far easier to talk to ignorant conservatives because at the very least, they acknowledge something is wrong with the system.

      The affluent libs are the worst, no matter how progressive they claim to be, it is almost impossible to penetrate through their defensive barrier and every legitimate argument is ultimately countered with “and so do everyone else, we’re still the least bad.”

      The ones who are still salvageable are those who have personally experienced being crushed by the system before.

      But then there are two types of libs: those who don’t have a connection with the working class, and those who wish they don’t have a connection with the working class. So there’s that.

      I had an easier time and made more inroads with conservatives when I used to live in the US (and I’m a Chinese who is known to be a commie lol) than many of the progressive libs earning high salaries.

      But at the end of the day, the propaganda is too strong but what the left really needs is an organized, sustained political movement and start winning major victories. Once you get the score rolling and people start seeing what’s possible, they will start to come over to your side, and it will bring you more supporters than trying to argue with people for years about why socialism is better lol.

      • jack [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        10
        ·
        12 days ago

        But then there are two types of libs: those who don’t have a connection with the working class, and those who wish they don’t have a connection with the working class. So there’s that.

        there are also a lot of libs that are just normal working class people

        • xiaohongshu [none/use name]@hexbear.net
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          7
          ·
          12 days ago

          That’s what I said in my comment. The ideologically committed libs will be willing to throw the working class people and minorities under the bus if it suits their own interests.

    • graymess [none/use name]@hexbear.net
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      25
      ·
      12 days ago

      The liberal perspective of everything is going fine actually for the past 4 years is so much more delusional than the people who are constantly pissed off and reaching for the wrong solutions.

      • GrouchyGrouse [he/him]@hexbear.net
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        9
        ·
        12 days ago

        The American two-party/one-party state. One half can’t find the problem and the other can’t find the solution. And then people wonder why neither of them can make shit better. No matter which side of the coin comes up when you flip it nothing gets better because neither is adequate to the task at hand. How much I believe that is accidental or by design depends on how cynical I’m feeling that day.

    • 2Password2Remember [he/him]@hexbear.net
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      16
      ·
      12 days ago

      1000% agree. as sartre famously said, “anti-semitism is the anti-capitalism of fools.” as leftists we can interpret this either as 1) rightists are fools and totally unsalvageable or 2) rightists have a solid grasp of the problem and we just need to get them to understand that our proposed solutions to it are better than theirs

      obviously some (or even most) rightists are too far down the rabbit hole, but there are definitely those who aren’t really that committed to it and therefore can be won over. especially if we get some more hyper-competent propaganda of the deed

      Death to America