Reasonable people focus on banding together to accomplish goals. Do you think shaming someone for visiting family helps you stop the genocide? If every American stopped going to Israel, would that stop it? Please.
This is something the right gets correct every time. They hold their nose and tolerate some things they hate so they can make progress on their other goals. Then when those are done, they do it again and again. Eventually they have what they want.
It’s completely disingenuous to refer to it as just “visiting family.”
He was the one who decided to post a photo op in Tel Aviv. His previous posts make it clear that he knew he was doing so right next to an active genocide. According to the article, pro-Israelis interpreted it as an endorsement of Israeli policy.
Reasonable people still have boundaries. Reasonable people don’t “hold their nose” at genocide. Reasonable people stop believing in empty promises when every Israeli atrocity is rewarded with praise and unwavering support.
In what way are the “Democrats and liberals” changing the situation from the inside?
Biden just approved another $680m arms package. That should be condemned, not celebrated.
Acts that support this genocide should also be condemned, rather than celebrated.
Democrats had both houses and the Oval Office in 2021. The Democrats were as “in” as they can reasonably expect to get unless we want to go back to 2011 when the Democrats had all that and a supermajority.
What was stopping him from doing something now? Who forced him to send more arms to Israel?
And how is the Democrats ability to do the right thing inhibited in any way by people complaining about a CEO supporting genocide?
These arguments sound a lot like when my 10 year old tells me that they’ll stop watching video games and do their homework as soon as I stop nagging them. That’s nonsense. They do their homework when I take the laptop away and tell them they can’t have it back until the homework is done.
Join them. Progressives need to run for local office as Dems. Join Dem committees. Canvas for them. Get to know them. Check out “Run For Something” to get involved.
If you want real change it involves leaving the house and talking to people and being present and available.
You can also vote in their primaries for progressives, if you prefer the less impactful “support” route. But then you’re just supporting the people who are doing the joining.
You can’t really complain if there are no progressive or left Dems to support if you as a progressive/left person aren’t joining either.
No one is OK with genocide.
Reasonable people focus on banding together to accomplish goals. Do you think shaming someone for visiting family helps you stop the genocide? If every American stopped going to Israel, would that stop it? Please.
This is something the right gets correct every time. They hold their nose and tolerate some things they hate so they can make progress on their other goals. Then when those are done, they do it again and again. Eventually they have what they want.
They understand that real change is a long game.
It’s completely disingenuous to refer to it as just “visiting family.”
He was the one who decided to post a photo op in Tel Aviv. His previous posts make it clear that he knew he was doing so right next to an active genocide. According to the article, pro-Israelis interpreted it as an endorsement of Israeli policy.
Reasonable people still have boundaries. Reasonable people don’t “hold their nose” at genocide. Reasonable people stop believing in empty promises when every Israeli atrocity is rewarded with praise and unwavering support.
Ok. Then if you didn’t plan to partner with Democrats and liberals to change the situation from the inside, what do you plan to do?
In what way are the “Democrats and liberals” changing the situation from the inside?
Biden just approved another $680m arms package. That should be condemned, not celebrated. Acts that support this genocide should also be condemned, rather than celebrated.
They’re not. Of course.
They might be if we got in there, helped out, and then stirred the pot. But right now we’re outside shouting into the wind.
What would “in” consist of?
Democrats had both houses and the Oval Office in 2021. The Democrats were as “in” as they can reasonably expect to get unless we want to go back to 2011 when the Democrats had all that and a supermajority.
What was stopping him from doing something now? Who forced him to send more arms to Israel?
And how is the Democrats ability to do the right thing inhibited in any way by people complaining about a CEO supporting genocide?
These arguments sound a lot like when my 10 year old tells me that they’ll stop watching video games and do their homework as soon as I stop nagging them. That’s nonsense. They do their homework when I take the laptop away and tell them they can’t have it back until the homework is done.
Ahhhh, I found the mistake. You’re assuming when I say “we” I mean “Democrats”. No no no.
We, left leaning folk, need to join the Democratic party, and once WE are in, we change the Democrats to something useful.
Third parties can’t work. The Republicans are way too far off ideologically. So the only tool we have is Democrats. Let’s use them.
What would joining consist of?
Register as Democrats? Vote whoever they tell you to vote for?
Supporting is not joining.
Join them. Progressives need to run for local office as Dems. Join Dem committees. Canvas for them. Get to know them. Check out “Run For Something” to get involved.
If you want real change it involves leaving the house and talking to people and being present and available.
You can also vote in their primaries for progressives, if you prefer the less impactful “support” route. But then you’re just supporting the people who are doing the joining.
You can’t really complain if there are no progressive or left Dems to support if you as a progressive/left person aren’t joining either.