Volodymyr Zelenskyy has suggested a ceasefire deal could be struck if Ukrainian territory he controls could be taken “under the NATO umbrella” - allowing him to negotiate the return of the rest later “in a diplomatic way”.

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    13 days ago

    Non starter. Pretend ceasefire while nato troops get installed in Ukraine.

    The peace deal that was scuttled by UK/US in March 2022 did include referendums to let regions join Russia or Ukraine. I don’t think the “democracy lovers” would support these any more, but it would be a genuine formula for peace, and one where Ukraine would reform its government, and could successfully hold territory if western economic help were given. The delusion with that plan is that Ukraine is only loved for its commitment to suicidal war instigation.

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      Yeah cause giving away land to stop a dictator from going further has always worked.

      Gestures at the start of ww2

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        And we already have proof. Ukraine gave away Crimea and that only encouraged Putin to attack Ukraine again.

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      The peace deal that was scuttled by UK/US in March 2022 did include referendums to let regions join Russia or Ukraine

      Known fake news…

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        Reported in west, confirmed by facilitators, BoJo quoted in scuttling deal, also reported in west. Top US cabinet quoted calling it a strategic imperative to diminish Russia. But, sure… fake news if it exposes demonic warmongering evil.

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          Russia was not interested in the deal, negotiations were done in bad faith. So idiots online have talking points to spread;) Russia still thought they could flip Ukraine relatively easily at that point anyway, why would they settle for less than he entire pie?

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            Complete total fabrication. Russia has never been interested in ruling Ukraine. The siege towards Kiev was intimidation. Liberating the Russian parts is a necessary response to Ukraine’s nazification. But very simple/reasonable red lines were always the offramp to peace.

            Your beliefs are pure absolute lies needed to sustain the fiction that Russia provoked the war, and that you too must support a defense of Europe instead of the diminishment of Russia, and all of the profits that will never trickle down to you for that support.

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              Russia has never been interested in ruling Ukraine.

              Learn some history, boy.

              Thank you for dropping other shill points btw so readers can make up their own mind on how credible your commentary on the topic is.

              I hope you get paid at least like Tom Pool and Lauren Southern.

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                13 days ago

                Wanting a Ukrainian leader that is mildly friendly to Russia, as is Ukraine’s interest, or Canada’s interest to be friendly with US, is not the same as ruling the country.

                The complete total absurdity of your fabrications is a Hasbara level of dedication to the empire that with near certainty comes from a military base IP. Your complete disregard for recent events does let you pretend to be a historian, much less an honest one.

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              Russia has never been interested in ruling Ukraine.

              You’re either an ignorant fool or a malicious piece of dung.