Are you two really naive enough to assume that Russia will respect a peace agreement?
Russia attacked several countries against international law, and Ukraine already had security guarantees from the US and UK following its voluntary surrender of their nuclear weapons.
International law and security guarantees meant fuck all when Russia invaded in 2014, and about as much in 2022.
Why do you think, Russia would respect agreements this time? They made their intentions very very clear.
It’s funny that you should be so suspicious of Russia respecting agreements.
George Washington Univ., 2017: NATO Expansion: What Gorbachev HeardDeclassified documents show security assurances against NATO expansion to Soviet leaders from Baker, Bush, Genscher, Kohl, Gates, Mitterrand, Thatcher, Hurd, Major, and Woerner
Consortium News, 2015: The Mess That Nuland MadeAssistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland engineered Ukraine’s regime change without weighing the likely consequences.
Consortium News, 2023: The West’s Sabotage of Peace in UkraineFormer Israeli Prime Minister Bennett’s recent comments about getting his mediation efforts squashed in the early days of the war adds more to the growing pile of evidence that Western powers are intent on regime change in Russia.
You have no idea what whataboutism is. You said Russia doesn’t respect agreements. The evidence is that the agreements you’re talking about were either violated by the West or were adopted by the West in bad faith explicitly to undermine Russian security.
You can’t really be so naive as to think that Russia should continue to appease the West after 60 years of the US and Western Europe materially supporting Nazis and fascists, building over 600 military bases in 80 countries encircling Russia and China, claiming to only engage in defensive war when invading and razing dozens of countries, assassinating people all over the world, engaging in illegal collective punishment regimes all over the world, and constantly withdrawing unilaterally from security treaties designed to maintain MAD, human rights, and international security.
You gotta stop reading US and UK news rags when they talk about their opponents. They lie.
Are you two really naive enough to assume that Russia will respect a peace agreement?
Russia attacked several countries against international law, and Ukraine already had security guarantees from the US and UK following its voluntary surrender of their nuclear weapons.
International law and security guarantees meant fuck all when Russia invaded in 2014, and about as much in 2022.
Why do you think, Russia would respect agreements this time? They made their intentions very very clear.
It’s funny that you should be so suspicious of Russia respecting agreements.
That’s great and all, but how does any of that justify an invasion?
What you’re doing here is whataboutism. You don’t address the actual problem, instead you’re derailing the discussion.
You have no idea what whataboutism is. You said Russia doesn’t respect agreements. The evidence is that the agreements you’re talking about were either violated by the West or were adopted by the West in bad faith explicitly to undermine Russian security.
You can’t really be so naive as to think that Russia should continue to appease the West after 60 years of the US and Western Europe materially supporting Nazis and fascists, building over 600 military bases in 80 countries encircling Russia and China, claiming to only engage in defensive war when invading and razing dozens of countries, assassinating people all over the world, engaging in illegal collective punishment regimes all over the world, and constantly withdrawing unilaterally from security treaties designed to maintain MAD, human rights, and international security.
You gotta stop reading US and UK news rags when they talk about their opponents. They lie.