Thank you. I’ll check out the gentleman you mentioned in YouTube. I thought about going to a local shooting range. Didn’t think about shooting club. Shopping for anything is such a process now, huh?
A friend showed me a Cz sp01 9mm. I remember liking the feel of it. But it’s @ 1,500. That’s a fair chunk of change for me. Not sure what the budget is for a good piece? And elsewhere in this thread it sounded like a 9mm might not be the way to go, anyhow
Yeah, gun shopping is always a process, but the way the market has expanded the last decade or so makes it more difficult for new shooters. Used to be that there really wasn’t much in the way of junk out there, just slightly less good. Certainly not much that would utterly fail the way some hipoint products can.
Well, that model of cz is on the high end of things. The good part is that it’s worth the price tag in terms of durability and function. Great firearms imo.
If you’re buying new, don’t waste time with anything that’s under 300 unless you’ve had a chance to thoroughly research the exact model.
Again, for new, you can end up with some damn fine handguns in the $3-500 range. Glock, Sig Sauer, Smith & Wesson, and a lot of other reliable brands have offerings in that range.
If you’re going used, you run into the low to mid end range overlapping a lot more, so you can’t really set a price where you’re going to be reasonably certain you’re getting something good. There’s used glocks out there in great shape that you can snag for maybe 300 with some luck. Some in rough shape go for less, but are still perfectly good in function; they’re just beat up visually. But a visually pristine used taurus might only be fifty bucks less, despite not being as good a buy overall.
As far as caliber, there’s a lot to be said for 9mm. It’s usually easy to find, and if you stick with a major brand, the aftermarket accessories are wide open. The ammo is also relatively cheap. There’s also plenty to be said against it, like it lacking one-hit stopping power (which isn’t a guarantee with any handgun a beginner spoke should be looking at, but still), and the supply chain issues with the ammo recently. But it really depends on individual needs/wants.
Is 9 the ideal beginners’ caliber? Ehhh, probably not. I’d rather a new shooter start with something even gentler to learn fundamentals with. But if someone is only going to buy 1 handgun, it’s difficult to pick a better round to start out with. It’s almost certain that a total noob can handle 9, and that means they’ll practice more, and that matters. But it is a debated topic for sure.
45 tends to be a favorite among long term shooters, particularly us older guys. Good stopping power, not so much recoil it’s a big problem, and usually easy to get. But it isn’t really a good beginner’s choice, imo. If you start with it, and get good with it, it tends to set you up very well since it does have enough recoil you have to learn how to stay on target between rounds. However, the learning curve is worse because of that.
There’s ammo that’s way more potent, for sure, but it’s the absolute most kick I’d ever put in a beginner’s hands.
Mind you, there isn’t really a default ammo choice across the board. It is a very popular pick for personal and home defense. But it isn’t ideal for concealed carry for everyone’s preferences because you just can’t carry as many rounds in a compact form factor. I personally carry a full sized handgun as my concealed carry because I’m a big dude and it won’t show, so I carry 45. If I can’t handle something with the 14 rounds +1 in the two magazines I keep on me, I’m screwed anyway, so I’d rather have the extra punch.
If I couldn’t carry a full sized concealed option, I’d probably either step down to a 9mm, or switch to a revolver in 38 or 357, whichever I could get a good deal on. The kind of ammo in between 9mil and 45 for semi auto is good, but not significantly different performance wise, and tend to cost more since they aren’t as popular. Which is why I’d go with 38/357 for a wheel gun. I like cheap and easy to find ammo lol.
Also, as a side note, I’ve mostly been talking in reference to a general purpose carry and range shooting handgun. Which is what most people asking what you’re asking are wanting to know, but there are other applications that might change things, like a desire to shoot competitively at some point, or wanting to hunt with a handgun (which is very niche tbh).
My advice overall? For a first handgun, in the 3-700 buck range, pick up a 9mm, probably a sig or glock since they’re popular enough to run into good prices sometimes. Learn how to shoot, get used to all the safety and carry rules, and then figure out exactly what your needs are as you go. Resale value on the popular brands is solid, so you won’t lose much by selling and switching to a different caliber in a year or two, if that’s where you end up. Same way if you just want a fancier handgun in 9mm, you’ll have part of the new cost covered by the resale.
I’m appreciating all the time you are taking to answer, thank you. It’s all registering with me. I hope this serves others, too. Responses like yours are the building blocks of a healthy fedi community
Thank you. I’ll check out the gentleman you mentioned in YouTube. I thought about going to a local shooting range. Didn’t think about shooting club. Shopping for anything is such a process now, huh?
A friend showed me a Cz sp01 9mm. I remember liking the feel of it. But it’s @ 1,500. That’s a fair chunk of change for me. Not sure what the budget is for a good piece? And elsewhere in this thread it sounded like a 9mm might not be the way to go, anyhow
Yeah, gun shopping is always a process, but the way the market has expanded the last decade or so makes it more difficult for new shooters. Used to be that there really wasn’t much in the way of junk out there, just slightly less good. Certainly not much that would utterly fail the way some hipoint products can.
Well, that model of cz is on the high end of things. The good part is that it’s worth the price tag in terms of durability and function. Great firearms imo.
If you’re buying new, don’t waste time with anything that’s under 300 unless you’ve had a chance to thoroughly research the exact model.
Again, for new, you can end up with some damn fine handguns in the $3-500 range. Glock, Sig Sauer, Smith & Wesson, and a lot of other reliable brands have offerings in that range.
If you’re going used, you run into the low to mid end range overlapping a lot more, so you can’t really set a price where you’re going to be reasonably certain you’re getting something good. There’s used glocks out there in great shape that you can snag for maybe 300 with some luck. Some in rough shape go for less, but are still perfectly good in function; they’re just beat up visually. But a visually pristine used taurus might only be fifty bucks less, despite not being as good a buy overall.
As far as caliber, there’s a lot to be said for 9mm. It’s usually easy to find, and if you stick with a major brand, the aftermarket accessories are wide open. The ammo is also relatively cheap. There’s also plenty to be said against it, like it lacking one-hit stopping power (which isn’t a guarantee with any handgun a beginner spoke should be looking at, but still), and the supply chain issues with the ammo recently. But it really depends on individual needs/wants.
Is 9 the ideal beginners’ caliber? Ehhh, probably not. I’d rather a new shooter start with something even gentler to learn fundamentals with. But if someone is only going to buy 1 handgun, it’s difficult to pick a better round to start out with. It’s almost certain that a total noob can handle 9, and that means they’ll practice more, and that matters. But it is a debated topic for sure.
I’d definitely stick to buying new, just to get rid of some variables. Is .45 the default ammo — but better not to buy in the beginning?
45 tends to be a favorite among long term shooters, particularly us older guys. Good stopping power, not so much recoil it’s a big problem, and usually easy to get. But it isn’t really a good beginner’s choice, imo. If you start with it, and get good with it, it tends to set you up very well since it does have enough recoil you have to learn how to stay on target between rounds. However, the learning curve is worse because of that.
There’s ammo that’s way more potent, for sure, but it’s the absolute most kick I’d ever put in a beginner’s hands.
Mind you, there isn’t really a default ammo choice across the board. It is a very popular pick for personal and home defense. But it isn’t ideal for concealed carry for everyone’s preferences because you just can’t carry as many rounds in a compact form factor. I personally carry a full sized handgun as my concealed carry because I’m a big dude and it won’t show, so I carry 45. If I can’t handle something with the 14 rounds +1 in the two magazines I keep on me, I’m screwed anyway, so I’d rather have the extra punch.
If I couldn’t carry a full sized concealed option, I’d probably either step down to a 9mm, or switch to a revolver in 38 or 357, whichever I could get a good deal on. The kind of ammo in between 9mil and 45 for semi auto is good, but not significantly different performance wise, and tend to cost more since they aren’t as popular. Which is why I’d go with 38/357 for a wheel gun. I like cheap and easy to find ammo lol.
Also, as a side note, I’ve mostly been talking in reference to a general purpose carry and range shooting handgun. Which is what most people asking what you’re asking are wanting to know, but there are other applications that might change things, like a desire to shoot competitively at some point, or wanting to hunt with a handgun (which is very niche tbh).
My advice overall? For a first handgun, in the 3-700 buck range, pick up a 9mm, probably a sig or glock since they’re popular enough to run into good prices sometimes. Learn how to shoot, get used to all the safety and carry rules, and then figure out exactly what your needs are as you go. Resale value on the popular brands is solid, so you won’t lose much by selling and switching to a different caliber in a year or two, if that’s where you end up. Same way if you just want a fancier handgun in 9mm, you’ll have part of the new cost covered by the resale.
I’m appreciating all the time you are taking to answer, thank you. It’s all registering with me. I hope this serves others, too. Responses like yours are the building blocks of a healthy fedi community
No worries :)
That’s what community is supposed to be like.