• ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de
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    Yeah…three books of “oh woah is me. I can’t make up my mind of which of the two boys that likes me I like more. Choosing is so hard”

    *Edit. Lol. Some of y’all got real defensive. They were pretty good books and movies, but the love interest subplot was still cringy and I’m sticking to it.

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      Considering this is /c/tumblr, check out this post arguing that The Hunger Games is more than the copycat dytopian YA novels that it spawned.

      https://www.tumblr.com/fictionadventurer/185466336245/i-think-the-hunger-games-series-sits-in-a-similar

      I think the Hunger Games series sits in a similar literary position to The Lord of the Rings, as a piece of literature (by a Catholic author) that sparked a whole new subgenre and then gets blamed for flaws that exist in the copycat books and aren’t actually part of the original.

      Like, despite what parodies might say, Katniss is nowhere near the stereotypical “unqualified teenager chosen to lead a rebellion for no good reason”. The entire point is that she’s not leading the rebellion. She’s a traumatized teenager who has emotional reactions to the horrors in her society, and is constantly being reined in by more experienced adults who have to tell her, “No, this is not how you fight the government, you are going to get people killed.” She’s not the upstart teenager showing the brainless adults what to do–she’s a teenager being manipulated by smarter and more experienced adults. She has no power in the rebellion except as a useful piece of propaganda, and the entire trilogy is her straining against that role. It’s much more realistic and far more nuanced than anyone who dismisses it as “stereotypical YA dystopian” gives it credit for.

      And the misconceptions don’t end there. The Hunger Games has no "stereotypical YA love triangle”–yes, there are two potential love interests, but the romance is so not the point. There’s a war going on! Katniss has more important things to worry about than boys! The romance was never about her choosing between two hot boys–it’s about choosing between two diametrically opposed worldviews. Will she choose anger and war, or compassion and peace? Of course a trilogy filled with the horrors of war ends with her marriage to the peace-loving Peeta. Unlike some of the YA dystopian copycats, the romance here is part of the message, not just something to pacify readers who expect “hot love triangles” in their YA.

      The worldbuilding in the Hunger Games trilogy is simplistic and not realistic, but unlike some of her imitators, Collins does this because she has something to say, not because she’s cobbling together a grim and gritty dystopia that’s “similar to the Hunger Games”. The worldbuilding has an allegorical function, kept simple so we can see beyond it to what Collins is really saying–and it’s nothing so comforting as “we need to fight the evil people who are ruining society”. The Capitol’s not just the powerful, greedy bad guys–the Capitol is us, First World America, living in luxury while we ignore the problems of the rest of the world, and thinking of other nations largely in terms of what resources we can get from them. This simplistic world is a sparsely set stage that lets us explore the larger themes about exploitation and war and the horrors people will commit for the sake of their bread and circuses, meant to make us think deeper about what separates a hero from a villain.

      There’s a reason these books became a literary phenomenon. There’s a reason that dozens upon dozens of authors attempted to imitate them. But these imitators can’t capture that same genius, largely because they’re trying to imitate the trappings of another book, and failing to capture the larger and more meaningful message underneath. Make a copy of a copy of a copy, and you’ll wind up with something far removed from the original masterpiece. But we shouldn’t make the mistake of blaming those flaws on the original work.

    • OneOrTheOtherDontAskMe@lemmy.world
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      Reread those books, if you read them.

      The point is that she doesn’t WANT either of those two boys. She’s forced out of a friendship with both due to their feelings, and she has to play the part to keep some kind of normalcy for both the capital’s cameras and for her partner’s mental sanity and safety while in the ring. She’s never happy, never CHOOSES Peta, and is the result of trying to cope/maintain sense of self while constantly shoved into roles constructed for her (the Volunteered Tribute, The Girl on Fire, The Mockingbird all being personas she takes on behalf of someone else’s needs/desires and often just survival for her/her family)

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        And if you got ‘romance plot’ as the major storyline and not ‘surviving capitalist techno-hellscape post failed-revolution’, I think you read Divergent and said “these are all the same books”

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        I remember it being unclear if the professed feelings for her by Peta were genuine or also manufactured for the cameras, and while the ending implied Peta had genuine feelings for her by that point, he likely was also thrust into a position he didn’t necessarily want either

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          Peta expressed genuinely loving her from day one. On the train, when he’s holding her he even tells her about how he felt and why he threw the bread, feeling it was selfishly motivated.

          Hers were confused, and she remarks that maybe, had life been normal, she could have developed feelings for him or gale for real, but because she didn’t have the chance she’s never sure which part of the show she even believes in. She accepts by the end that he loves her and that she loves him as much as she feels she’s capable of after all the trauma

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            Sounds like you’ve read the books much more recently than I have because I simply can’t remember much of any of those details, just my takeaways from the books

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              It’s definitely been more than a decade. But I keyed back in to get back in the headspace for the prequel book she released. I recommend it too, if you haven’t checked it out. Not quite the same tone, but I liked where she went with it.