I think it’s that he’s really bad at the job. He can’t keep people who disagree - or don’t agree forcefully enough. He can’t take advice, he’s not that good at coming up with plans.
It’s not actually Trump that’s the biggest threat, it’s his supporters. And the Republican party that lets him do whatever he wants. That cult-like behavior dies with him (please, tonight on a hamberder). Vance sucks shit, but he in the past has said things against Trump, suggesting he’s just in his camp for the power, money and fame. And sadly, that’s the best case scenario in this failed democracy…
Good news is the Republicans are varying levels of unhinged, so since Trump doesn’t actually care about policy they could become deadlocked again as they infight over how badly to screw up the country, probably with trying to muck up Medicare or the ACA again
Everyone is expecting his government to still follow the established rules
Realistically, the government will be forced to continue to follow the established precedent and constitution until the moment its not. When it will go off the rails and what to expect are entirely unknowable, but ultimately every institution relies upon and expects the United States federal government continuing to function and enforce the rule of law.
Most likely, if Trump is successful at becoming a dictator, it won’t be by breaking the rules but simply changing them. Lukashenko of Belarus was elected to their position, then changed the rules to hold onto power. Putin of Russia continues to be elected to his position and changes the rules to hold onto power. Erdoğan of Turkey continues to be elected to his position, and changes the rules to hold onto power. By following the laws and engaging in (heavily manipulated) democratic elections it provides an illusion of legitimacy and stability that doesn’t immediately scare away all business investment and industry, two things that the United States relies heavily upon as a service-based economy. A violent revolution would immediately collapse the economy, eliminating most support for Trump’s cause and radicalizing many against him. A policy-based revolution can occur before most people can even identify that its happening, and by the time its clear what’s happened it will be too late to do anything to stop it.
But a policy-based revolution actually requires the policies to be passed, and in the United States, policies don’t pass without financial support from wealthy businesses and their executives. The Republican party is made up of members who are all varying degrees of unhinged. Many seem to only follow trump because that’s the politically “safe” thing for them to do and will break the moment it appears “safe” to break from him (we saw the first Republicans try to do this in early 2021 following the insurrection on Jan 6th, but Trump was still too powerful so they were primaried and now presumably took jobs with large donors in the private sector). Mike Pence certified the election (a largely symbolic gesture that while legally required to conclude presidential election, there is no precedent nor written law dictating what happens if an election is not certified) against trump’s orders because actually toppling democracy was simply too far for him. Other republican politicians will find their own breaking points where their personal values and morals outweigh their careers and take an action against Trump’s wishes. And the entire opposition now knows without a shadow of a doubt that Trump and his cronies will attempt to keep him in power, so the opposition will do everything it can to stop it. The cards are still in Democracy’s favor, and they’re very much stacked against Trump and likely the Democrats as well (Once Trump passes there’s a good chance the Republican party will collapse and either a new party will grow out of its remains or the Democrats will swing right again collecting the Republican politicians still wishing to continue their careers and a new party will emerge from the Left. Historically, no political party has survived past its dictatorial strongman)
So, in short, yes Trump’s scary, but clearly I have more faith in our political institutions and politicians to shake off this obvious grasp for dictatorial power than you do.
I’ve always seen their endgame as Vance taking over sometime during Trumps term. What I never considered until this moment is that with control of both sides of the Legislature, the GOP would also be able to pick whomever they wanted as a replacement for Vance in the VP spot. Zero primary election vote. Zero general election by the people, just the GOP leadership with a blank check to put whatever monster in the Executive branch without anything stopping them beyond the Constitutional limits that they be American born, be at least 35 years old, and having living in the USA for 14 years or more.
They would just exercise the 25th amendment and put Vance in the seat. I’m not sure who’s ass is in the chair is the worst-case scenario
I actually think Trump is better than Vance. Somehow.
I think it’s that he’s really bad at the job. He can’t keep people who disagree - or don’t agree forcefully enough. He can’t take advice, he’s not that good at coming up with plans.
oui. he can’t help but get in his own way. he’s also endlessly distractable.
It’s not actually Trump that’s the biggest threat, it’s his supporters. And the Republican party that lets him do whatever he wants. That cult-like behavior dies with him (please, tonight on a hamberder). Vance sucks shit, but he in the past has said things against Trump, suggesting he’s just in his camp for the power, money and fame. And sadly, that’s the best case scenario in this failed democracy…
Good news is the Republicans are varying levels of unhinged, so since Trump doesn’t actually care about policy they could become deadlocked again as they infight over how badly to screw up the country, probably with trying to muck up Medicare or the ACA again
You’re assuming they’re still going to be allowed to make decisions.
Everyone is expecting his government to still follow the established rules, but there’s very good reason to think those rules will be thrown out.
The USA is dead.
Realistically, the government will be forced to continue to follow the established precedent and constitution until the moment its not. When it will go off the rails and what to expect are entirely unknowable, but ultimately every institution relies upon and expects the United States federal government continuing to function and enforce the rule of law.
Most likely, if Trump is successful at becoming a dictator, it won’t be by breaking the rules but simply changing them. Lukashenko of Belarus was elected to their position, then changed the rules to hold onto power. Putin of Russia continues to be elected to his position and changes the rules to hold onto power. Erdoğan of Turkey continues to be elected to his position, and changes the rules to hold onto power. By following the laws and engaging in (heavily manipulated) democratic elections it provides an illusion of legitimacy and stability that doesn’t immediately scare away all business investment and industry, two things that the United States relies heavily upon as a service-based economy. A violent revolution would immediately collapse the economy, eliminating most support for Trump’s cause and radicalizing many against him. A policy-based revolution can occur before most people can even identify that its happening, and by the time its clear what’s happened it will be too late to do anything to stop it.
But a policy-based revolution actually requires the policies to be passed, and in the United States, policies don’t pass without financial support from wealthy businesses and their executives. The Republican party is made up of members who are all varying degrees of unhinged. Many seem to only follow trump because that’s the politically “safe” thing for them to do and will break the moment it appears “safe” to break from him (we saw the first Republicans try to do this in early 2021 following the insurrection on Jan 6th, but Trump was still too powerful so they were primaried and now presumably took jobs with large donors in the private sector). Mike Pence certified the election (a largely symbolic gesture that while legally required to conclude presidential election, there is no precedent nor written law dictating what happens if an election is not certified) against trump’s orders because actually toppling democracy was simply too far for him. Other republican politicians will find their own breaking points where their personal values and morals outweigh their careers and take an action against Trump’s wishes. And the entire opposition now knows without a shadow of a doubt that Trump and his cronies will attempt to keep him in power, so the opposition will do everything it can to stop it. The cards are still in Democracy’s favor, and they’re very much stacked against Trump and likely the Democrats as well (Once Trump passes there’s a good chance the Republican party will collapse and either a new party will grow out of its remains or the Democrats will swing right again collecting the Republican politicians still wishing to continue their careers and a new party will emerge from the Left. Historically, no political party has survived past its dictatorial strongman)
So, in short, yes Trump’s scary, but clearly I have more faith in our political institutions and politicians to shake off this obvious grasp for dictatorial power than you do.
Known evil?
I disagree though.
Incompetent evil is always preferable, and Vance seems to have entire sections of working grey matter
I’ve always seen their endgame as Vance taking over sometime during Trumps term. What I never considered until this moment is that with control of both sides of the Legislature, the GOP would also be able to pick whomever they wanted as a replacement for Vance in the VP spot. Zero primary election vote. Zero general election by the people, just the GOP leadership with a blank check to put whatever monster in the Executive branch without anything stopping them beyond the Constitutional limits that they be American born, be at least 35 years old, and having living in the USA for 14 years or more.
What monster would the GOP pick to be Vance’s VP?
Liz Cheney, as a show of good fa
I’m sorry I couldn’t finish typing that.
Tbh I’m kind of expecting Trump to accidentally fall out of a window sometime around February. Maybe Easter. It’s a very special day for him.
that’s not the point, the point is it would be hilarious
Vance is worse.