What’s your plan when Trump wins this time? Why won’t that plan still work in 4 years if another Trump does surface? Unless you don’t have a plan and just want to rip the band aid off to get it over with. I don’t like how the DNC operates and we need to work to change it but if Trump gets elected with no plan in place to control him he will just wipe Gaza off the map and build a golf course where it used to be.
I mean I’m not American so my plan is to watch either way, but I’d hope the plan is to pressure the DNC to push actually electable candidates, hold real primaries and not ignore their constituents. I mean, I don’t expect that to happen because Democrat voters have proven time and time again to be spineless and incapable of organizing—which is what allows the DNC to get away with this nonsense—but that’s what I’d do if I was a politically active American.
Why won’t that plan still work in 4 years if another Trump does surface?
The current DNC and Democrat voters’ unwillingness to challenge it create an inherently unsustainable system that will only end with a Trump victory and the erasure of democracy (likely) or the DNC managing to push through the waves of Trumps while moving rightwards, picking up Republican policies while not allowing democracy to function until America effectively ceases to be a democracy (unlikely due to the first possibility, but possible). That’s my problem with the “shut up and vote for her” stuff: It assumes that there’s a light at the end of the bootlicking tunnel. Y’all need a way to get the DNC back on track and you need it fast, because this is a version of the gambler’s ruin where instead of money you’re gambling democracy and, to make matters worse, lose democracy even if you win the bet.
I mean I’m not American so my plan is to watch either way
So you don’t really have a stake in this.
Y’all need a way to get the DNC back on track and you need it fast, because this is a version of the gambler’s ruin where instead of money you’re gambling democracy and, to make matters worse, lose democracy even if you win the bet.
No, you’re the one gambling democracy because Trump winning right now would guarantee an attack on all the institutions we have in place to try and maintain democracy in the US. If you’re confident those institutions will hold and be able to curtail Trumps plans to subvert democracy then sure, none of this matters. But if you aren’t confident in the US Supreme Court and Congress then it’s foolish to think Trump will just leave after 4 years if he wins this time.
No, you’re the one gambling democracy because Trump winning right now would guarantee an attack on all the institutions we have in place to try and maintain democracy in the US.
That’s not what I meant when I said gambling democracy. Lemme just…
In statistics, gambler’s ruin is the fact that a gambler playing a game with negative expected value will eventually go bankrupt, regardless of their betting system.
If you, on average, lose democracy every election, then you need to change the game you’re playing or you’ll eventually arrive at bankruptcy (aka fascism), and I don’t see anyone talking about changing the game. It’s all avoid Trump but yeah, then what?
I get what you meant but what you’re proposing is just losing democracy all at once vs bit by bit. At least one option gives us more time to find a solution. This isn’t just a philosophical question for a lot of people, maybe it can be for you and that’s great, I’m glad you aren’t concerned about a Trump presidency.
What’s your plan when Trump wins this time? Why won’t that plan still work in 4 years if another Trump does surface? Unless you don’t have a plan and just want to rip the band aid off to get it over with. I don’t like how the DNC operates and we need to work to change it but if Trump gets elected with no plan in place to control him he will just wipe Gaza off the map and build a golf course where it used to be.
I mean I’m not American so my plan is to watch either way, but I’d hope the plan is to pressure the DNC to push actually electable candidates, hold real primaries and not ignore their constituents. I mean, I don’t expect that to happen because Democrat voters have proven time and time again to be spineless and incapable of organizing—which is what allows the DNC to get away with this nonsense—but that’s what I’d do if I was a politically active American.
The current DNC and Democrat voters’ unwillingness to challenge it create an inherently unsustainable system that will only end with a Trump victory and the erasure of democracy (likely) or the DNC managing to push through the waves of Trumps while moving rightwards, picking up Republican policies while not allowing democracy to function until America effectively ceases to be a democracy (unlikely due to the first possibility, but possible). That’s my problem with the “shut up and vote for her” stuff: It assumes that there’s a light at the end of the bootlicking tunnel. Y’all need a way to get the DNC back on track and you need it fast, because this is a version of the gambler’s ruin where instead of money you’re gambling democracy and, to make matters worse, lose democracy even if you win the bet.
So you don’t really have a stake in this.
No, you’re the one gambling democracy because Trump winning right now would guarantee an attack on all the institutions we have in place to try and maintain democracy in the US. If you’re confident those institutions will hold and be able to curtail Trumps plans to subvert democracy then sure, none of this matters. But if you aren’t confident in the US Supreme Court and Congress then it’s foolish to think Trump will just leave after 4 years if he wins this time.
That’s not what I meant when I said gambling democracy. Lemme just…
If you, on average, lose democracy every election, then you need to change the game you’re playing or you’ll eventually arrive at bankruptcy (aka fascism), and I don’t see anyone talking about changing the game. It’s all avoid Trump but yeah, then what?
I get what you meant but what you’re proposing is just losing democracy all at once vs bit by bit. At least one option gives us more time to find a solution. This isn’t just a philosophical question for a lot of people, maybe it can be for you and that’s great, I’m glad you aren’t concerned about a Trump presidency.