• taladar@feddit.de
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      1 年前

      You could always tax by emissions and weight. EVs are not really the solution to the general car problem anyway. Mass transit is, at least in cities and other densely populated areas.

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        I think we agree but I still need to point out: Individual transport will always be a requirement for living in rural areas. The “fuck cars” sentiment only makes sense in cities with more than ~3 million inhabitants.

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          While I agree with the sentiment on cars in the city, I’d say that it is already viable in much smaller cities. I live in a city with 350k inhabitants and I’m doing quite well without a car.

          • tormeh@discuss.tchncs.de
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            For sure. But forbidding cars doesn’t make sense until you have several millions of people in a single city.

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          What are you smoking lmao, do you seriously think anything below 3 million people is rural?

          rural is when it takes you an hour to reach the nearest grocery store by car.

          • andrai@feddit.de
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            That’s not rural, that’s ultra remote wilderness. Like what place doesn’t have a grocery store in a 100km radius? Some place deep in the Australian outback?

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                My definition of rural is a place with some semblance of human habitation that is not urban. A speck of land characterized by villages, farms or forestry. Where you have limited access to the amenities found in cities.

                However, what village does not have a grocery store? Or at least not one in the next bigger village?

                Do you have some examples of villages without a grocery store an hour of driving away?

            • 𝒍𝒆𝒎𝒂𝒏𝒏@lemmy.one
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              Village of ~10k, nearest grocery store is 25min walk, 10min bike, 5min car.

              There are also three smaller stores a 2 min walk away. Europe for reference

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                I sincerely doubt there is a a place in Europe outside of maybe remote Scandinavia or Russia where you can’t get to a grocery store after driving for an hour.

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          3 million is gigantic! The country I’m in currently barely has that many people

          You can do car-free at any size if its planned right.

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      All UK residents pay road tax, whether they own a vehicle or not. You’re referring to emissions tax, which only the vehicle owner pays.

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        1 年前

        Technically correct, but everyone colloquially still refers to the tax that you pay on your car as road tax even though it’s now emissions-based

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          It’s called ‘vehicle exercise duty’. At least get it right if you’re going to be pedantic. It is directly related to emissions, therefore emissions tax is more appropriate for a nickname.

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      Small diesel car is much better than huge EV car in any city. Just look at any comparision on effectiveness of transport means and how cars are the least effective. If we allow to have now even bigger cars on our roads, then we end with even less effective communication, especially in places where buses get stuck in traffic.

      • uint8_t@feddit.de
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        Small diesel car is much better than huge EV car in any city. [citation needed]

        • 𝒍𝒆𝒎𝒂𝒏𝒏@lemmy.one
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          I’d rather a quiet EV than a noisy & polluting combustion engine personally.

          Living on a busy road has honestly made me dislike cars much more though, they are SO NOISY, and people around here rev their motorbikes and car engines so damn much especially at night time. I’m a deep sleeper so I don’t hear it unless I’m awake, but I feel sorry for the neighbours.

          Even the buses that go past are way quieter than the cars (the electric ones are completely silent), dunno if they’re using more expensive tyres or something 🤷‍♂️.

          Also I can forget opening windows during rush hour periods. The exhaust smell takes over the house pretty quickly, especially when there’s start/stop traffic ☹️