If hundreds of millions of Americans and Europeans knew what was actually going on, they’d certainly be against the policies their unelected bureaucratic oligarchies are imposing, both at home and abroad. Precisely this is why knowing the truth is all the more important. Unfortunately, it can indeed be dangerous to think and speak freely at this time, and we can only expect more censorship and more “thought criminals”, as any deviation from the official narrative is “dangerous for our democracy”.

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    This is just right wing and conspiracy theorist bs. I’m not saying there is no censorship but this is misinformation designed to confuse people, sow distrust, and make them susceptible to more misinformation so they can be influenced politically.

    This kind of shit really took off in 2020 and if you’re still falling for it, please take your life back in control. If we’re gonna criticize the West, let’s take a fact-based approach.

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      Countries anger and provoke each others’ populations by pointing out the bad stuff, and defend against that by censoring or otherwise cracking down on dissent. Articles like this are just attacks against us in this process, true, but I think specific ones like this are still useful, when critically understood, to help us realize that not only the countries we don’t like use those authoritarian tricks, but more or less every one (and those countries that don’t are couped by one or another who does).

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      Oh so you hate censorship, but you just don’t want to see the evil wrongthink. I see, I see.

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        Oh I do. But I want journalists to tell me about it, not propaganda outlets. This article is written to make me angry, not to emancipate or enlighten me. It wants to manipulate me.

        If I may recommend a book, Doppelganger by Naomi Klein. It’s about exactly the difference between

        1. investigative journalists that do their due diligence to uncover actual conspiracies
        2. conspiracy nutjobs that just believe and share every conspiracy they hear, and ironically, often end up serving oligarchs by doing so.

        If anger becomes more important than truth, we become tools in the hands of the powerful. Choose truth

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          The difference between journalism and propaganda to you is whether a western source is saying it or a country which is no longer controlled by the western financial apparatus. You weren’t trained to question.

          Oh you mean the book that Klein felt obliged to promote when feigning an apology for lashing out at the left for not condemning Hamas?

          It’s absolute schlock. I don’t know what convinced her that people on Twitter are worth writing a book about, but the quarantine really had a deletrious effect on some people.

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            The difference between journalism and propaganda to you is whether a western source is saying it or a country which is no longer controlled by the western financial apparatus

            What makes you think this?

            I haven’t been trained to question, that’s true. I learned. You only learned to be scared apparently, and you’re currently in training to dismiss facts altogether. I suggest you drop out of that curriculum

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              Mister Potatoes I suggest you unlearn your tendency to label articles that point out glaring contradictions and omissions in Western narratives “unjournalistic propaganda” before deploying this kind of language about how open minded and educated you are

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                  You expect me to take internet points and alt accounts complaining about everything that doesn’t agree with the state department narrative seriously! I appreciate you admitting it! Now, let’s see if you can attack a single point raised in one single article that I post instead of whining about how nobody should disagree with liberal dogma. I highly doubt it.

                  Every downvote I get on these articles and comments is a merit badge that says Ruined Another Liberal’s Day. You’re going to have to live with us being right forever! You think your word games can actually alter reality, up until it passes you by.

                  You deny how bad things are for Ukraine even more than Kiev does at this point! Keep your salt stained messages on the timeline proving how delusional you were when things really crumbled!

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                    What the fuck are you even talking about? I’ve said nothing about Ukraine. Do you call everyone who disagrees with you a liberal? That is a rude insult to sling around in these parts.

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            No, I mean the Naomi Klein that voices pro-palestinian opinions in the book. Here’s a highly israel-critical interview.

            This is what I mean. Blind dogma and hatred will make you turn against those who should be your allies.

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              She’s not an ally LMAO, plenty of “pro-Palestinian voices” also “advocate” for Palestinians by repeating Israeli propaganda. You must think everyone who criticizes Netanyahu is on your side. 🤕 I hope she sees this bro. Then you can both discuss how much you respect Israel’s right to “exist” and “defend itself”

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        Let’s remove all the moderation but instead let’s introduce new law, making public lies a criminal offence. Deal?