John Rawls and the death of Western Marxism

https://josephheath.substack.com/p/john-rawls-and-the-death-of-western

Anti-capitalist theory needs to move beyond Marxism. The theory of inalienable rights and the labor theory of property are significantly more powerful critiques of capitalism than Analytical Marxism, and don’t suffer from the problems that Marxist critiques do. The theory is also easy to understand. Marxism, unfortunately, has been more influential then classical laborists such as Proudhon

https://www.ellerman.org/inalienable-rights-part-i-the-basic-argument/

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  • t3rmit3@beehaw.org
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    27 days ago

    Yes, anti-capitalist theory does need to move beyond Marxism, but it doesn’t need to move to (as Joseph Heath seems to believe) Rawlsian liberal-egalitarianism.

    Perhaps this is the Mutualist in me chafing at Rawlsianism in general, but his emphasis on “Liberal vs Decent (vs Other) Peoples”, and his envisaged world order that can both “tolerate” other societies who disregard certain human rights, but also choose to intervene (as a structural component of the philosophy) into societies which they deem not “tolerable”, just feels like reinventing the “Rules-Based Liberal Order” of Western Liberal Militarism with a moral (self-)justification, rather than a monetary one. Same tune, new instrument. His focus on Hierarchy is anathema to his supposed desire to produce equity or equality; equality is the absence of hierarchy, which obviously can’t be enforced at a micro-level, but he’s gone the dead opposite direction, and somehow come to the conclusion that equality can be forcibly imposed (by someone with an unequal amount of power, of course).

    Heath linked to a piece by Freddie deBoer on the inability of Western (Neo)Liberalism to create the outcomes it desires, and frankly I find that piece far more persuasive than Rawls’ insistence that you can maintain a massive, national and international-level hierarchy but actually everyone will do what’s “Right”. Any sufficiently large or permanent hierarchy will first and foremost seek to sustain itself, no matter who or what is in charge of it, and there’s no inherent way to prevent a system from doing or becoming bad. Systems and structures and even societies themselves are merely organizational tools, and no tool can prevent itself from being misused.

    It makes me even more nervous when that large-scale, International “Order” is turned into a moral imperative, as it is in Rawlsianism. Now you’re just reinventing the Holy Roman Empire, with some council of supposed representative citizens in lieu of a Pope, but still operating under the auspices of being the ultimate arbiter of morality.

    The solution to inequality isn’t creating some unassailably-powerful liberal-egalitarian super-entity, to enforce worldwide human rights, it’s to dismantle structures of control that perpetuate systemic inequality.

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    the basic question was not a contrast of consent versus coercion

    Damn straight!

    The basic idea is quite simple.

    Boy, I heard that one before.

    would not in fact turn an adult into a minor or person of diminished capacity

    Not sure I like the way you put both those into the same box…

    Since the person remained a de facto fully capacitated adult person with only the contractual role of a non-person or diminished person, the contract was impossible and invalid.

    This whole thing feels like a convoluted attempt to make contracts and capitalism not result in slavery. Fact is without cops, it doesn’t matter how valid a contract is. Doesn’t matter how logical or how well thought out it was, doesn’t matter how mutually rewarding it purports to be. I’m not a lamp genie. If I don’t like a contract, I can flip you the bird and walk away.

    With cops, it’s slavery.

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      @cy This is not my essay just to be clear.

      Of course, all contracts must be voluntary. The question is whether there are other requirements for contract validity. The point is that there are rights that can’t be contractually alienated even with consent. There are some contracts that are invalid even if they are consensual. Capitalism is wrong even when voluntary. This is stronger than the usual leftist argument that capitalism is involuntary

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        I’m saying it doesn’t matter if I consented to any contract, anywhere, any time ever. I can still say fuck you and walk away. I could swear on my mother’s grave that I’ll pay you back, and if you (i.e. the police) can’t force me to, I don’t have to pay you back. NO contracts are valid by that criteria. Which is kind of how I feel about that shit. You want my help, make me want to help you. Don’t make me agree to help you.

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          @cy Walking away from an employment contract doesn’t give you the positive and negative fruits of your labor. With the inalienable rights theory, you are guaranteed a right to vote over management not just exit and to appropriate the fruits of your labor.

          Contract enforcement can be done through reputation mechanisms. There doesn’t have to be coercion against the person

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            Or I could just help out my friends and not have to worry about contract enforcement, because I know they’ll have my back. Reputation management for human beings.