Bonus question: how much would a company have to pay you for you to give 100% effort at work?
I think what I get is ok, because I adjust my effort to the payment.
I don’t think I could give 100% effort at work, that would burn me out in no time and that’s not worth any money.
I’ll do anything for a room, food, security, internet, and a few thousand dollars a year for electronics and bike parts. I’m pretty useless but will try as hard as I can manage. I can’t really go anywhere, and I need someone to do my grocery shopping. I’m out of the house for a PT routine most days for around 1-2 hours. I’m quiet, and don’t say much, but I cook a ton of really good food once every couple of weeks, I grow stuff, ferment stuff, will do your laundry and care for the cats. I’m in a lot of pain, but you’ll see that I care a ton in my own ways. I can fix almost anything from a car to electronics to household stuff but I’m super slow. Physically I exist for around 1 hour a day where I can be upright and working on something. I’d love someone to unspeakable levels if they wanted me. Money has no value to me. I just want stability and security to live the best version of what remains of my existence. I can’t travel or do much else without causing me harm. When I become homeless in the future, I won’t last very long. I don’t know how to put a number on that.
There are tons of jobs where the required physical effort is zero. They hire you for your brain, not your physical ability.
Disability is way more complicated than it may seem. I’m generally capable, but I go through major ups and downs of sleep depravation that make me professionally incompetent. I have extensive spinal damage. I must maintain a physical therapy routine to limit my ups and downs, but every month or two, some little anomaly will cause me injury and take a week or two before I can recover to 4-6 hours of sleep. Like I can’t turn my head very far left. If I try, there is a high probability of injury near the limit of how far I can rotate. Most of my damage is in the thoracic (ribs) region. This is super rare and unlike any other types of back problems that people usually associate with back problems.
I can’t take sleeping aids or my problems are much worse. I flop around like crazy every 5-10 minutes even when I’m sleeping. It is hard to communicate pain tolerances and quantify what is a lot of pain. As an indicator, I’ve raced bicycles, ridden over 200 miles in a day for fun, crashed multiple times breaking bones, including ribs, and still rode home tens of miles when I could have made a phone call for a ride easily. Even when such an injury could cause me harm in theory because of my chronic issues, the pain is irrelevant to me. I’m the Black Knight of cyclists as far as I’m concerned. It took two SUV’s at the same time to substantially injure me and neither of them recovered from the fight and got crushed, kidding… but…
I’ve run my own business with employees twice and managed for someone else. I would not hire me.
They wouldn’t want me to give 100% effort. There are too many people around me who are new or poorly trained or incompetent. My 100% would involve addressing the poor leadership, poor processes, poor accountability mechanisms that have us in our current situation. So since they would likley fire me for it, they would need to pay me at least three years of industry-standard salary for my position to make up for time unemployed and the black mark on my job history.
Let’s say they wouldn’t fire you for it. Would an industry-standard salary be enough to get you to put in all that effort?
No, my salary is currently around average and I set my effort level compared to my coworkers’ levels. Any move/promotion paths I’m interested in would not be made easier by giving that full effort.
I look for smart effort, not max effort. The CEO of my company is for damn sure not the hardest working. Hard work is not the full answer to success in this capitalist society.
Anybody with a full time job should be able to comfortably afford a home, car and protect their health and future.
The fact that this isn’t the case is caused by unfettered greed.
I knew I’d get a ton of answers like this, that’s why I asked for a dollar amount.
The best I can offer you is an equation since it varies so drastically from region to region.
((Cost of living) * 2.5 + taxes) / 40
I should be able to own a home and raise a family on a single income as an engineer.
Glassdoor says that I should be making 90k or so
What do you make now? 90k sounds low.
$65k. I’m only 30 and in a low cost of living state. But yeah I’m at the low end of what my career makes. I’m shit at selling myself and I’ve struggled to get a leg up professionally so I’ve just wound up at a place that underpays me as I keep looking elsewhere
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Google says i should make ~$150k. The sheer scope and complexity of my work deserves far more in my opinion. That and stupid tax to deal with a major corporation. So, I’ll round up to an even $200k. Full effort… $300k.
I am struggling with “fair” here. I’m pretty well paid for the public sector, but the private sector would offer a 50%+ increase with a noticable loss of stability. So I don’t know. I do think they should have promoted me years ago though .
Government workers deserve good wages as well.
I support a 75% salary increase in your current role.
One MILLLLLION dollars.
I already give 100% effort at work. I make an average of $37.50/hr, waiting tables. I wouldn’t accept less than $35 as a straight wage if I were to forgo tips.
I don’t know because I think if people got paid fair wages the world would look very different, and the cost of living calculations we currently use to determine fair wages would change in ways I can’t predict.
I think that with aggressive progressive taxes, we’d see the range of incomes get compressed, and lift lower incomes. I’m not entirely sure how that’d affect cost of living, it’d probably go up, but wages would go up more.
But if I had to guess, if say everyone should be making between $100k and $300k, and I should probably be somewhere in the middle of that.
Funny enough, California has a very progressive tax system, and has higher than normal income inequality but a higher base standard of living than the rest of the US. I think having an economy with more opportunities for people inflates everyone’s income, including the rich.
But it brings up a question, if everyone were to have a decent standard of living, is it as big a problem that rich people exist? Obviously we’re not there yet, but hypothetically in a post scarcity world, it’s an interesting thing to think about.
To me, the ideal system would be everyone has enough to live comfortably, and the rest is allocated according to how hard or smart people work.
The problem is loopholes, but I’m not a tax lawyer, which is why I provi such a vague answer.
I think that ostentatious wealth is a sign you’re not doing your share to help the society that supports you, so the disgustingly rich shouldn’t exist. But I’m not opposed to a little inequality as reward for doing important work or going above and beyond, but what we have now is crazy.
I wouldn’t really say that California’s tax is especially progressive compared to taxes in the past, like the golden age of the USA. But even then, lobbyists have opened so many loopholes that it doesn’t even really matter what the tax rate is
At least $100k with all the bullshit they put us through. 🙄
But if they got me to $80k—$90k, I’d be a quieter worker bee.
Eh, I’d be happy with $30 hourly. At 70 hours a week (line cook) I’d be making around $100k. I was making 87¢ an hour above minimum wage at the place I just left. I gave 100% anyway because if I didn’t the experience really sucked
My actual job - a little more than i make. Dealing with the BS - priceless.
$175k.
$275k to full tilt. It wouldn’t be worth it because I’d quit in a year.
Sounds about right. I went full tilt for about 9 months, because I felt they were paying me enough for it. Recognized signs of burnout, switched to a less stressful role.
$275k to full tilt. It wouldn’t be worth it because I’d quit in a year.
$275k would set you for life? You’d be able to put up with a year, but not able to handle one more year and double your money?
Also $275k is only about $196k after federal taxes and FICA.
edit: fixed typo
I think they meant the burn out after a year of full tilt.
FICA? FICO is for credit scores.
Thanks for catching my typo. Fixed now.
Np
With my experience and technical background, I’ve learned I’m way underpaid, even among my peers in my company.
$215k annual would be what I consider fair.
