You’re right that they don’t want to end democracy. A case can be made, however, that they just want the power and control to do what they want to do as well which is usually just enough small potatoes to keep voters happy while still lining the pockets of THEIR rich friends.
The times they’ve had control of the senate and house with a democratic president has amounted to nothing big or great for codifying some human rights (roe v wade) or even passing some major reforms for the country.
I’m guessing the OP has all that mind when they made their comment and they aren’t exactly wrong. However, I don’t know what the right answer is because humans are so corruptable, but the democrats are the lesser of two evils currently.
Please don’t cherry pick a tiny statement in an entire explanation of thinking and present it as a “gotcha”.
Look, I voted democrat, but anyone arguing that they are also not corrupt is a moron. They are waaaaaay LESS corrupt, but they’re still corrupt and they haven’t made big moves that they could when they have had the power.
To be fair, they haven’t really had much actual power recently, we never really have enough dems in the house and senate to actually get things pushed through without bipartisan support which know won’t come for anything that benefits the people. While there are definitely corrupt people in the democrats, as a whole their inaction ties more to stalled efforts which needed bipartisan support vs. not trying to push for changes. When you know you won’t get enough traction to get something done do you waste resources there or try and find something that’s workable.
While there are definitely corrupt people in the democrats, as a whole their inaction ties more to stalled efforts which needed bipartisan support vs. not trying to push for changes
And yet they still manage to force their shit through
It’s sad that we’re in an era where any accountability at all is considered hostility to party. Even nuanced, well thought out takes get shit on. It’s as if everybody wants to be subjected to worse and worse times. We all need to realise that the flaws of the corporate Democrat world are holding us back, and no that is not to suggest the crimes of corporate Democrats are comparable to those of the virtual entirety of current Republican leaders who are actively trying to dismantle the system itself, but status quo politicians of any party have got to get put in check or we’re only going to continue to suffer as a whole.
Fundamentally the problem is literally voting. Specifically first past the post voting. There is no viable mechanism to have more than two parties in a first past the post voting system and with only two parties you’re forced into voting against someone rather than for someone. Both parties oppose proportional voting systems specifically because they know it would weaken them, although only the GOP has specifically banned ranked choice voting in state and county elections.
The very first step (but certainly not the last) in fixing our democracy must be to replace first past the post with some kind of proportional voting system. That is the only way we’ll get more political parties that better reflect the actual desires and opinions of the American public which in turn will help curb corruption in the political parties.
You’re missing the point. Allowing credence to criticizing the Democrats undermines their ability to take up Republican seats in Congress, which is what people need to avoid the fucking Trumptards taking over and killing everyone else.
I agree it’s stupid and we need a third party, but this is what other people want. They’re probably not wrong.
No quite the opposite. By campaigning as “we aren’t those guys”, Democrats can get away with having no serious legislative agenda and just make sure their donors’ applecarts stay upright. That’s what they do. It’s a huge problem. Notice how they never actually fix anything?
No quite the opposite. By campaigning as “we aren’t those guys”, Democrats can get away with having no serious legislative agenda and just make sure their donors’ applecarts stay upright. That’s what they do.
Now I know you’re either full of shit or majorly misinformed.
OK their legislative victories are all small victories, mostly state level. The Guardian article is vague descriptions anders many aren’t really anything special. “established Juneteenth asking holiday”. Bra-vo. And what good is an infrastructure bill that doesn’t include hispeed rail? How does the Chips and Science Act make a working person’s life easier?
The US faces serious crises. Democrats never legislated abortion rights. We still have shitty privatized health insurance tied to employment, we still have massive student debt crippling a generation, we still have unaffordable housing pretty much everywhere. Cannabis is still not actually legal at the federal level. The Democratic president shat on the railroad union. And of course, we are destroying the climate. Where are the Democrats on any major issues facing the country? These problems have been growing worse for two decades. Whenever someone runs on progressive platforms, the party funds their opponents. They actively worked against Senator Sanders’ run for president.
They’ll happily lose elections to keep donations rolling in
And Democrats aren’t??? Both parties need to go
I don’t see the democrats trying to end democracy, dumbass, Trump and DeSantis both want to be dictators very badly.
They do however, prevent certain politicians from even running.
You don’t?
You’re right that they don’t want to end democracy. A case can be made, however, that they just want the power and control to do what they want to do as well which is usually just enough small potatoes to keep voters happy while still lining the pockets of THEIR rich friends.
The times they’ve had control of the senate and house with a democratic president has amounted to nothing big or great for codifying some human rights (roe v wade) or even passing some major reforms for the country.
I’m guessing the OP has all that mind when they made their comment and they aren’t exactly wrong. However, I don’t know what the right answer is because humans are so corruptable, but the democrats are the lesser of two evils currently.
This is literally the point of a representative democracy.
Lol no it isn’t, it’s to act on the will of the people.
So the power and control to do what they want
Please don’t cherry pick a tiny statement in an entire explanation of thinking and present it as a “gotcha”.
Look, I voted democrat, but anyone arguing that they are also not corrupt is a moron. They are waaaaaay LESS corrupt, but they’re still corrupt and they haven’t made big moves that they could when they have had the power.
To be fair, they haven’t really had much actual power recently, we never really have enough dems in the house and senate to actually get things pushed through without bipartisan support which know won’t come for anything that benefits the people. While there are definitely corrupt people in the democrats, as a whole their inaction ties more to stalled efforts which needed bipartisan support vs. not trying to push for changes. When you know you won’t get enough traction to get something done do you waste resources there or try and find something that’s workable.
And yet they still manage to force their shit through
What the fuck are you talking about?
Exactly, they’re the party of “we keep corporate donors’ profits flowing by doing nothing helpful to people”
It’s sad that we’re in an era where any accountability at all is considered hostility to party. Even nuanced, well thought out takes get shit on. It’s as if everybody wants to be subjected to worse and worse times. We all need to realise that the flaws of the corporate Democrat world are holding us back, and no that is not to suggest the crimes of corporate Democrats are comparable to those of the virtual entirety of current Republican leaders who are actively trying to dismantle the system itself, but status quo politicians of any party have got to get put in check or we’re only going to continue to suffer as a whole.
Fundamentally the problem is literally voting. Specifically first past the post voting. There is no viable mechanism to have more than two parties in a first past the post voting system and with only two parties you’re forced into voting against someone rather than for someone. Both parties oppose proportional voting systems specifically because they know it would weaken them, although only the GOP has specifically banned ranked choice voting in state and county elections.
The very first step (but certainly not the last) in fixing our democracy must be to replace first past the post with some kind of proportional voting system. That is the only way we’ll get more political parties that better reflect the actual desires and opinions of the American public which in turn will help curb corruption in the political parties.
You’re missing the point. Allowing credence to criticizing the Democrats undermines their ability to take up Republican seats in Congress, which is what people need to avoid the fucking Trumptards taking over and killing everyone else.
I agree it’s stupid and we need a third party, but this is what other people want. They’re probably not wrong.
You think they aren’t corrupt? Great, I have some real estate to sell you
You’re one of those people that nuance and context are lost on aren’t you?
No quite the opposite. By campaigning as “we aren’t those guys”, Democrats can get away with having no serious legislative agenda and just make sure their donors’ applecarts stay upright. That’s what they do. It’s a huge problem. Notice how they never actually fix anything?
Now I know you’re either full of shit or majorly misinformed.
An NPR summary of the successes of the Democratic party for the previous two years.
A Guardian article with more proof.
The DLCC’s own summary of successes.
OK their legislative victories are all small victories, mostly state level. The Guardian article is vague descriptions anders many aren’t really anything special. “established Juneteenth asking holiday”. Bra-vo. And what good is an infrastructure bill that doesn’t include hispeed rail? How does the Chips and Science Act make a working person’s life easier?
The US faces serious crises. Democrats never legislated abortion rights. We still have shitty privatized health insurance tied to employment, we still have massive student debt crippling a generation, we still have unaffordable housing pretty much everywhere. Cannabis is still not actually legal at the federal level. The Democratic president shat on the railroad union. And of course, we are destroying the climate. Where are the Democrats on any major issues facing the country? These problems have been growing worse for two decades. Whenever someone runs on progressive platforms, the party funds their opponents. They actively worked against Senator Sanders’ run for president.
They’ll happily lose elections to keep donations rolling in
Correct, they aren’t. They’re not great, but they didn’t try to overturn a free and fair election and then protect the people that orchestrated it.