The dude has the flag of the DDR as his profile picture. German tankies are a particularly special breed of stupid, with all that the opening of the STASI archives revealed about the horrible shit going on under Sowjet rule.
I jusy went over their posts and maybe 20 percent cover Ukraine, most are jusr critical of US and most are widely accepeted western news sites ( ft, economist, independent ).
I counted his posts and he has 24 non duplicate posts. Of those 10 are critical of ukraine. The rest seem to be anti-vax or anti-us. 10/24= 41% So almost half of his posts are critical of ukraine. Also widely accepted sources doesn’t change the fact that this OP has an obvious agenda. Weird that you would try to defend him with disinformation though. Isn’t that a common authoritarian trick?
I love how you framed an article by the Independent (a liberal UK paper) on the relationship between the pharma industry and western governments as anti-vax. Is disinformation a common liberal trick?
I just assume that everyone has some kind of agenda, so I don’t see real problem with it.
Can you find many accounts that equally represent pro and against war stances and reportings? I most certanly haven’t seen them, nor did I see comentes negating their stance.
I don’t have a goal to chamge yoir opinion I am commenting for other people seeing your comment so that they get differet view point and check for themselves.
I think the biggest issue is that a lot of people from US never before ventured on non-US part of the net and have problem accepting that some people have negatinve opinions on US foreign policies (which would be whole non white part of the world). And now that you are exposed to differences of opinion you react the same as for your internal politics - by seeing it as an enemy and not another human beings with different life experiences.
People are allowed to post what they want, you’re allowed to post any pro ukraine stuff you like. You can’t just piss and cry because people have different opinions than you, and can link pro-western sources backing up their point of view. The mind bending is unreal.
For a Trekkie, You do know Star Trek is supposed to be influenced by a post resource scarcity communist society right?
But the people understanding desinformation are spending significant amounts of free time on it, while the propagandists are getting paid and the morons just soak up the headlines and go on… so both ignore any actual argument or link to facts someone spend time one anyway.
So, no. There is easy way to deal with this that doesn’t involve heavy moderation…
Funny how all you tankies have been saying the same thing since the war began. Yet ukraine is still in it and advancing. So odd. Almost like all you tankies want people outside the warzone to ignore ukraine and give up, stop sending arms. I’m sure that’s all a coincidence though.
But that’s just not true, in fact Russia is making gains on the north and south lines now (source for the map is the Institute for the Study of War: https://isw.pub/InteractiveUkraineWarMap)
Didn’t realize the US and EU are to blame for Russia invading its neighbor unprovoked. Could have sworn it was Russia trying to wrap up what they started in the “Free Republics” and Crimea.
Ukraine was hit really hard by the 2008 economic crisis and is still struggling to recover. It has beenforecast that Ukraine will be cash-strapped in the near future and are scheduled to face approximately $ 8 billion in debt repayments next year alone. Considering all of this on the horizon, it is only sensible that Yanukovych and the Ukrainian government demand that the European Union put forward a solid plan – in the interest of its citizens- to help the soften the heavy blow that the Ukrainian economy will inevitably suffer as it is exposed to a new economic market. The EU has offered just $800 million in aid as a potential insulator against the immediate effects of joining the EU. When one considers that Ukraine thinks the immediate blow of an EU deal to its economy will be in the region of $20 billion, the EU’s proposal does not even begin to address any issues. Russia on the other hand, have offered $15 billion of economic aid to Ukraine to help mitigate any potential economic disasters in the near future. Although there are doubts as to the long term effects of the Russian offer on Ukraine’s economy, Yanukovych cannot be blamed for holding out for a better deal for his country. It is what he was elected to do. Throwing his country into a monumental deal without taking into proper consideration the immediate side effects would be amateurish.
This is supposedly the match that light the “Revolution of Dignity” that completely ignored the western Ukrainian (ethnic Russian) populace.
You’re almost right. The match was the attempt to take the Russian deal and, knowing full well what that meant, people took to the streets.
That $15 billion would be an investment in a puppet state at Putin’s beck and call. Belarus is all the evidence you need, but you can also see how well the CSTO is going for Armenia. Utterly worthless deals.
Hey there not a tankie, but just here to say that there is a global chorus of capitalist media criticizing Russia. We don’t really need to join in the western circlejerk over this war and that it is more productive to try to balance that. Remember the atomic unit of propaganda is not lies but emphasis.
Trying to frame supporting the right of Ukraine to defend themselves against an illiegal invasion, genocide, torture, rape and all manner of other war crimes as “being pro-war” needs a very special kind of brain damage…
Pro-Ukraine? Sure, that’s probably includes one agenda or another. But that’s not what you said there.
As for the insult: Sorry, for that. You instantly understood that you framed self-defense as being pro-war, so I think I need to retract that suggestion of brain damage.
Instead you seem to know perfectly well what you’re saying so: Crawl back to you Russian (or Russian-paid) cave, troll. (Also: Not sorry for that, as it isn’t even an insult but just stating a fact…)
I’ve been an American a very long time. Russia doesn’t have to pay me to see that all sides use propaganda. Also, still using insults isn’t going to help someone see your point of view.
You can call me whatever you want. As long as it’s understood that geopolitics requires all sides to use propaganda. I’m not here to make friends. I’m here to learn. I’m actually a pretty forgiving guy. I just can’t tolerate bull 💩.
Geopolitics doesn’t happen in a vacuum. There were agendas before the war that led to the war. To believe differently is naive and absurd. This goes back to the fall of the Soviet Union for Russia. Russia was installing a puppet government with Yanukovych. NATO couldn’t allow that because it threatened capitalist hegemony in Europe. There will be agendas after the war. Ukraine deserves sovereignty from Russia and NATO. There’s a reason 40 countries want to join the BRICS trade alliance. The world is tired of America and NATO extracting their wealth.
It’s weird how you only post stuff critical of ukraine. One might think you have an agenda.
The dude has the flag of the DDR as his profile picture. German tankies are a particularly special breed of stupid, with all that the opening of the STASI archives revealed about the horrible shit going on under Sowjet rule.
Stalin definitely should not have stopped at Berlin 😁
I jusy went over their posts and maybe 20 percent cover Ukraine, most are jusr critical of US and most are widely accepeted western news sites ( ft, economist, independent ).
I counted his posts and he has 24 non duplicate posts. Of those 10 are critical of ukraine. The rest seem to be anti-vax or anti-us. 10/24= 41% So almost half of his posts are critical of ukraine. Also widely accepted sources doesn’t change the fact that this OP has an obvious agenda. Weird that you would try to defend him with disinformation though. Isn’t that a common authoritarian trick?
I love how you framed an article by the Independent (a liberal UK paper) on the relationship between the pharma industry and western governments as anti-vax. Is disinformation a common liberal trick?
Ugh, you just had to say “anti-vax” for most people to know he’s a certified stooge or a turbo-dumbfuck.
Define authoritarian please
Fuck off Hexbear propagandist.
Ooo, anti-vax too. So OP is an all around trash person.
I just assume that everyone has some kind of agenda, so I don’t see real problem with it.
Can you find many accounts that equally represent pro and against war stances and reportings? I most certanly haven’t seen them, nor did I see comentes negating their stance.
I don’t have a goal to chamge yoir opinion I am commenting for other people seeing your comment so that they get differet view point and check for themselves.
I think the biggest issue is that a lot of people from US never before ventured on non-US part of the net and have problem accepting that some people have negatinve opinions on US foreign policies (which would be whole non white part of the world). And now that you are exposed to differences of opinion you react the same as for your internal politics - by seeing it as an enemy and not another human beings with different life experiences.
People are allowed to post what they want, you’re allowed to post any pro ukraine stuff you like. You can’t just piss and cry because people have different opinions than you, and can link pro-western sources backing up their point of view. The mind bending is unreal.
For a Trekkie, You do know Star Trek is supposed to be influenced by a post resource scarcity communist society right?
Financial Times is Russian propaganda!
There’s so much Kremlin and CCP disinformation on Lemmy I’ve stopped recommending it to anyone. Really a shame.
The only way to deal with it is to smother it with people who are aware of the disinformation, though.
But the people understanding desinformation are spending significant amounts of free time on it, while the propagandists are getting paid and the morons just soak up the headlines and go on… so both ignore any actual argument or link to facts someone spend time one anyway.
So, no. There is easy way to deal with this that doesn’t involve heavy moderation…
I’ve been suggesting universal defederation from the tanky instances for a few months. They’re all terrible in unique but related ways.
I think that’s absolutely the right direction.
They’re not genuine, they don’t argue in good faith, they brigade… the Fediverse won’t ever become truly meaningful in its current state.
Exactly! Speak up! I’ve been in a couple of bouts with a hexbear mob already!
News can be disinformation? Does that mean the US does it too?
It’s hard to not post bad news about Ukraine, it’s not like their counteroffensive is going well right? 😅
Funny how all you tankies have been saying the same thing since the war began. Yet ukraine is still in it and advancing. So odd. Almost like all you tankies want people outside the warzone to ignore ukraine and give up, stop sending arms. I’m sure that’s all a coincidence though.
Even the Ukraine Caucus in the US Congress are RedFashTankies now.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_Ukrainian_Caucus
But that’s just not true, in fact Russia is making gains on the north and south lines now (source for the map is the Institute for the Study of War: https://isw.pub/InteractiveUkraineWarMap)
The Washington Post: Ukraine running out of options to retake significant territory
The Economist: Ukraine’s sluggish counter-offensive is souring the public mood
CNN: “Russians have a number of defensive lines and they (Ukrainian forces) haven’t really gone through the first line,” said a senior Western diplomat. “Even if they would keep on fighting for the next several weeks, if they haven’t been able to make more breakthroughs throughout these last seven, eight weeks, what is the likelihood that they will suddenly, with more depleted forces, make them? Because the conditions are so hard.”
Yeah I want the war to end so that Ukrainian and Russian workers stop dying for the American/European/Russian elites, is that a bad thing?
Didn’t realize the US and EU are to blame for Russia invading its neighbor unprovoked. Could have sworn it was Russia trying to wrap up what they started in the “Free Republics” and Crimea.
Do you know what happened in Ukraine in the week before Feb 24 2022? Or the 8 years before that?
Yes, I know what was actually happening in the country, but I’m sure you have some RT propaganda that only a Russian would be dumb enough to believe.
https://natoassociation.ca/why-yanukovych-was-right-to-exercise-caution-with-the-eu-ukraine-deal-part-2/
Canadian NATO-friendly website February 9, 2014
This is supposedly the match that light the “Revolution of Dignity” that completely ignored the western Ukrainian (ethnic Russian) populace.
You’re almost right. The match was the attempt to take the Russian deal and, knowing full well what that meant, people took to the streets.
That $15 billion would be an investment in a puppet state at Putin’s beck and call. Belarus is all the evidence you need, but you can also see how well the CSTO is going for Armenia. Utterly worthless deals.
tfw the entire universe popped into existence in the last year and a half.
That’s fuckin crazy man.
Luckily you are the guy who isn’t influenced by propaganda at all
Hey there not a tankie, but just here to say that there is a global chorus of capitalist media criticizing Russia. We don’t really need to join in the western circlejerk over this war and that it is more productive to try to balance that. Remember the atomic unit of propaganda is not lies but emphasis.
Anyway all that said lol eat shit liberal.
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As if being pro-war is not an agenda. Lol
Trying to frame supporting the right of Ukraine to defend themselves against an illiegal invasion, genocide, torture, rape and all manner of other war crimes as “being pro-war” needs a very special kind of brain damage…
Does being pro-Ukraine not elicit an agenda? Also, what’s with the insult. I didn’t insult you.
Pro-Ukraine? Sure, that’s probably includes one agenda or another. But that’s not what you said there.
As for the insult: Sorry, for that. You instantly understood that you framed self-defense as being pro-war, so I think I need to retract that suggestion of brain damage.
Instead you seem to know perfectly well what you’re saying so: Crawl back to you Russian (or Russian-paid) cave, troll. (Also: Not sorry for that, as it isn’t even an insult but just stating a fact…)
I’ve been an American a very long time. Russia doesn’t have to pay me to see that all sides use propaganda. Also, still using insults isn’t going to help someone see your point of view.
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You can call me whatever you want. As long as it’s understood that geopolitics requires all sides to use propaganda. I’m not here to make friends. I’m here to learn. I’m actually a pretty forgiving guy. I just can’t tolerate bull 💩.
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Yes. Any response has an agenda. Make your fight righteous while calling the enemy evil.
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Geopolitics doesn’t happen in a vacuum. There were agendas before the war that led to the war. To believe differently is naive and absurd. This goes back to the fall of the Soviet Union for Russia. Russia was installing a puppet government with Yanukovych. NATO couldn’t allow that because it threatened capitalist hegemony in Europe. There will be agendas after the war. Ukraine deserves sovereignty from Russia and NATO. There’s a reason 40 countries want to join the BRICS trade alliance. The world is tired of America and NATO extracting their wealth.
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