Is there drama or a story I’m missing? As I understand it, from lemmy.world I can see their posts but they cannot see mine. Why did beehaw block lemmy.world?
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There’s no actual drama. It’s just that Beehaw admins have a specific view on how their instance should be, and for that they need stricter behaviour and content control. Based on that they defederated lemmy.world due to [ipsis digitis] “inability to effectively moderate that instance’s users”.
I am not too big of a fan of defederation, nor of stricter admin/moderator control, but in this specific case I can understand and agree with their decision, even if I use content from both instances - it makes sense in the context.
True, it makes sense if that were their vision.
From what I understand, LW users were posting lower quality content after a huge amount of Reddit users flooded into it and the Beehaw admins were tired of it so they defederated.
For anyone interested, they explained the reasoning behind this particular defederation here:
https://docs.beehaw.org/docs/important-questions-decisions-and-reflections/on-defederation/
At the end of the day beehaw wants to be tightly moderated and it’s kind of imposible to properly moderate huge amounts of users at the moment with their tools so they decided to ban big instances that don’t require any verification to join
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So basically, they want to be like reddit with authoritative mods and overreactive bans.
Wrong.
Beehaw has a specific goal, and it’s transparently taking actions to further that goal. It’s neither acting “on a whim” or enforcing hidden rules, like Reddit authoritative mods would.
Personally I don’t like this sort of moderation, I feel better in environments where mods/admins let users sort themselves out, but to compare it with the situation in Reddit is, if I may be honest, a fucking stupid false equivalence. And even if we two don’t need safe spaces, it’s good to have a few of them here and there, and Beehaw fits that role fine.
Agree with the sentiment, I don’t need it nor is it my thing, I prefer to be the one that has to do the blocking rather than mods, but I can see why it’s there.
I hate when people try to do safe spaces and some outsider looks at it and starts staying it’s authoritarian, an echo chamber, propaganda, power hungry admins, etc. Like, dude if there is a group of people that want to be protected from certain rethoric, it’s pathetic to act with indignation just because the don’t want everyone to interact. Not every community is about fitting everyone and being neutral, as long as they are transparent with it let them have their place in peace.
It feels kind of creepy. But if they like it, I guess that’s their business.
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Ah. Technically, could they re-federate with Lemmy.world whenever they want or does re-federation require some sort of approval from lemmy.world admins?
As long as .world doesn’t defederate them back, Beehaw can re-federate whenever they want.
I’m hoping they will. I subscribed to some beehaw communities that look appealing. I chose Lemmy.world out of convenience and I also appreciate the dude behind it…once things settle it would be sad if they don’t allow any LW people because of a few shitposters.
Have you considered making an account there (or on a non blocked lemmy instance), especially with how most apps I’ve used allow for multiple accounts and changing with two taps I don’t think there is much reason not tp make an account in the meantime.
Not a bad idea
I’m not sure. Sorry.
It’s just that the moderation tools aren’t yet there to allow a server that wants low drama to federate with a server that’s attracting a lot of general-public attention.
Good point. I assume they’ll improve as time goes on.
Thanks for the links! I guess that’s the power of the Fediverse; everyone can do or not do their own thing. ☺️
Sadly not anyone, only admins. Beehaw situation is risk with big instances. At least it’s easy to change one if you start to dislike current.
But anyone can set up an instance and become admin 😉
You can read their original announcement and reasoning here: https://beehaw.org/post/567170
