Last week, I tried to register for a service and was really surprised by a password limit of 16 characters. Why on earth yould you impose such strict limits? Never heard of correct horse battery staple?

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    4 months ago

    That happens all the fucking time, and it’s infuriating. Most recent example was with Kagi, which I eventually found out had a max of 72, truncated, no warning. I bitched out their support and they were like ‘nbd, and it should have warned you’ and I’m like ‘nope, no warning at all’ which means they didn’t bother checking if a warning actually showed or prevented the input, just ‘I wrote it so we must be good’.

    They claim to have fixed this, but ugh. Took me a half an hour, and I started with the suspicion that it was being truncated. Test your shit if you’re going to be stupid, people.

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      4 months ago

      What are the benefits of a password greater than 72 characters? How high do you try to go?

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        The longer it is, the harder for anyone to guess, write down, remember, or brute force. For that long a password, someone can actually see my password and then have effectively zero chance of being able to use it.

        But maybe it’s more a ”why not?” In one side it’s generated so you can use it equally well, and in the other side it should be hashed to a standard length so they should be able to manage it equally well.

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          4 months ago

          When I did the math with a reasonable list of alphanums and symbols on a US standard keyboard, a 40 char randomly generated password had equivalent security to a 256 but block cipher key. Describing the difficulty in brute forcing that starts with the phrase “assume you can convert all the energy from a supernova at 100% efficiency into a thermodynamiclly perfect computer”. A roundabout way of saying impossible.

          40 chars random is already overkill.

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      4 months ago

      Bcrypt and scrypt have a limit of 72 chars, so it’s probably that. Implementations can work around it by putting the password through a pre-hash, but most don’t bother. There are tons of reasonably secure password storage systems with that limit.