Look, if you were using this extension of time to do something better, to build dual power, to corrode the foundation of the system, I’d agree with you. That’s the point of extensions, no? To get time. The destination is the same in both scenarios, but you have time in the lesser one. Are you using that time on not-you activity?
Counterpoint, libs cared about kids in cages when it was trump doing it. Ive never seen so many people energetic and aware about government abuses. It was the same with war in the middleast when Obama took over from Bush. All the average antiwar blues stopped watching and couldnt car less about drone bombing funerals and ambulances.
The two party system does not promote engagement or representation. I get this is a bigger issue than the election but my biggest fear is that the slow walk to fascism under the “we’re the good party” will be more enduring and successful than the attempts from Red to March forward.
The average lib “shut up and vote blue or you support fascism” crybully will fall asleep again for four years and sleepwalk their way to the same goal without any self reflection along the way.
Note this is not in favor of accelerationism, but a criticism of this idea that all we can do is slow the roll with a vote every now and then and throw our hands up.
Note this is not in favor of accelerationism, but a criticism of this idea that all we can do is slow the roll with a vote every now and then and throw our hands up.
No one has suggested that idea. It certainly isn’t all we can do, but it is the minimum. The alternative is accelerationism.
Is it better? It seems like the creeping motion is much better at avoiding opposition than the double-time. Sort of like how the climate is heating just slow enough for most of the humans to think that it’s somewhat normal and usual, and the crises are somewhat normal.
I didn’t say accelerationism. Accelerationism is a fascist position.
I’m saying that the issue here is people not realizing that,
as an analogy,
Being threatened with a gun to the head vs being threatened with a dart containing deadly radioactive oncogenic particles should be treated the same. The problem is optimism and hope, it’s what allows conservatives to play the long game.
And in terms of the strategy you hold dear, understand that capitalists and their fascist pets will bring down the whole biosphere.
Essentially, the ethics of this aren’t about “lesser evil”, they’re about how willing are you to burden the youngest generations and soon to be born with an exponentially more difficult (deadly) challenge, so you can live your life in the “normal” way and keep your head down.
When you’re talking about the merits of the greater evil, i.e. speeding towards fascism so people are more likely to take direct revolutionary action, you’re talking about accelerationism. However you try to justify it to yourself, that’s what you’re promoting. And it’s fundamentally a gamble, you’re hoping that it leads to a regime that can be deposed, and a populace willing and able to depose it. The gamble could very easily just lead to enduring fascism.
I use the tools at my disposal. Voting for the lesser evil buys time and fosters a slightly, but distinctly, more favorable political landscape. That gives people the opportunity to organize, to spread their message, to build campaigns for representatives that represent them, and elevate those representatives to higher offices.
how willing are you to burden the youngest generations and soon to be born with an exponentially more difficult (deadly) challenge, so you can live your life in the “normal” way and keep your head down.
The irony is palpable. This is precisely the outcome of your strategy: give the young generations a despotic fascist regime they’ll have to overthrow with chaos and bloodshed, rather than a functioning democracy that they can push to the left.
Yes, our system is dominated by capitalists and fascists, but that’s precisely because 30+% of people refuse to use their vote. The system has within it the mechanisms for meaningful change, fantasies about a popular uprising against a despotic government are childish and irresponsible.
The problem you have there is called a feedback loop. A vicious spiral. The whole thing moves right with each election.
Yeah, the Republicans have been successful in accomplishing their goals by not voting repeatedly for 20+ years! /s
ffs
Look, if you were using this extension of time to do something better, to build dual power, to corrode the foundation of the system, I’d agree with you. That’s the point of extensions, no? To get time. The destination is the same in both scenarios, but you have time in the lesser one. Are you using that time on not-you activity?
Welp, better to tiptoe to the right than double-time goose step. A slow move to the right is better for leftists than a fast one.
Counterpoint, libs cared about kids in cages when it was trump doing it. Ive never seen so many people energetic and aware about government abuses. It was the same with war in the middleast when Obama took over from Bush. All the average antiwar blues stopped watching and couldnt car less about drone bombing funerals and ambulances.
The two party system does not promote engagement or representation. I get this is a bigger issue than the election but my biggest fear is that the slow walk to fascism under the “we’re the good party” will be more enduring and successful than the attempts from Red to March forward.
The average lib “shut up and vote blue or you support fascism” crybully will fall asleep again for four years and sleepwalk their way to the same goal without any self reflection along the way.
Note this is not in favor of accelerationism, but a criticism of this idea that all we can do is slow the roll with a vote every now and then and throw our hands up.
No one has suggested that idea. It certainly isn’t all we can do, but it is the minimum. The alternative is accelerationism.
Is it better? It seems like the creeping motion is much better at avoiding opposition than the double-time. Sort of like how the climate is heating just slow enough for most of the humans to think that it’s somewhat normal and usual, and the crises are somewhat normal.
Yeah, however bad the creep is, accelerationism Is way worse
I didn’t say accelerationism. Accelerationism is a fascist position.
I’m saying that the issue here is people not realizing that,
as an analogy,
Being threatened with a gun to the head vs being threatened with a dart containing deadly radioactive oncogenic particles should be treated the same. The problem is optimism and hope, it’s what allows conservatives to play the long game.
And in terms of the strategy you hold dear, understand that capitalists and their fascist pets will bring down the whole biosphere.
Essentially, the ethics of this aren’t about “lesser evil”, they’re about how willing are you to burden the youngest generations and soon to be born with an exponentially more difficult (deadly) challenge, so you can live your life in the “normal” way and keep your head down.
When you’re talking about the merits of the greater evil, i.e. speeding towards fascism so people are more likely to take direct revolutionary action, you’re talking about accelerationism. However you try to justify it to yourself, that’s what you’re promoting. And it’s fundamentally a gamble, you’re hoping that it leads to a regime that can be deposed, and a populace willing and able to depose it. The gamble could very easily just lead to enduring fascism.
I use the tools at my disposal. Voting for the lesser evil buys time and fosters a slightly, but distinctly, more favorable political landscape. That gives people the opportunity to organize, to spread their message, to build campaigns for representatives that represent them, and elevate those representatives to higher offices.
The irony is palpable. This is precisely the outcome of your strategy: give the young generations a despotic fascist regime they’ll have to overthrow with chaos and bloodshed, rather than a functioning democracy that they can push to the left.
Yes, our system is dominated by capitalists and fascists, but that’s precisely because 30+% of people refuse to use their vote. The system has within it the mechanisms for meaningful change, fantasies about a popular uprising against a despotic government are childish and irresponsible.
I guess you’ll learn the hard way.
Learn what, exactly?
How you are wrong