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Eh. I’ve spoken to a lot of women that don’t feel safe here in Texas. They don’t have the money to leave, and with the governor pardoning rapists and racist murderers, they are afraid of the future here. They are afraid of being raped and being forced to carry, which is absolutely what rightists want.
They have also asked me who I’m voting for. And if saying I’m voting for Dems makes those in my life and around me feel safer, then I will do that, and I won’t lie to women and fem people. Telling them about socialism, revolutionary politics, imperialism will not help them feel safer or better. It’s so shitty here in Texas, that basic survival instincts are what people worry about. Me and so many of my friends have been catcalled or threatened with sexual violence here.
Voting is the liberal bandaid, they think it will fix everything. It won’t, voting will not stop imperialism, it won’t stop genocide it won’t even stop homelessness or inflation lol. But will it slow the progression of fascist policies and maybe give people the chance to learn about actual leftism? It might. And that’s all a lot of people can hope for.
Vote against gross rightist policies, and in the meantime get organized, form a union, talk to your coworkers about how you need to be earning more, form community with people outside of the corpo entertainment sphere. There is so much work to do in the US for there to be an actual leftist movement, frankly we are so far behind and need to start doing shit now.
Has voting blue ever actually slowed down the progression of fascist policies though?
I might get shit for this, but in Wisconsin having a Dem governor has absolutely slowed down the deluge of fascist bullshit we’ve been putting up with for the past decade and a half. I can’t imagine how much worse things would be if Walker was still in power.
That’s fair enough, but somewhat of a moot point when the vote scolding is over the presidential election, where the dems have been worse than useless.
That’s why Walz is specifically effective at de radicalization. If I were a public figure, my opponents would be making commercials highlighting that I said “if the national Democrats were more like DFL, I might vote for them”
(gesturing to Biden’s complete 180* turn on border and immigration policy) no
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Spamming the same response is shitty, intellectually lazy and also just not a good way to create discussion nor a way to be persuasive. It makes you come off as desperate
They’re just doing qhat the union asked!
Let’s think about it this way. The red team and blue team will only band together to beat down anything remotely leftist, so we kinda are limited to organizing in our local communities. Would you rather do leftist work under a old white person who blows hot air about allegedly believing that immigrants are people and that people have inherent human rights, or an old white person who doesn’t even pretend to see non-white people as human and vocally opposes basic human rights? That’s what voting is for, as I see it.
When you vote for someone you legitimise them and you are giving them approval. The more legitimate a government is perceived to be, the harder it is to organise resistance against it.
Furthermore there was way more resistance to government actions and support for dissidents under Trump than under Biden, even though Biden has expanded a lot of Trumps most unpopular policies.Were you not conscious during the Trump presidency? Remember airports full of lawyers and liberals trying to stop deportations? That was pretty good, right? Where the fuck did they go when Biden got into office and smashed the deportation accelerator? Biden deported more people in his first year than Trump did in four and the liberals have been dead fucking silent.
So if you’re asking which climate I’d rather organize under, it’s the one where people actually organize against the executive to stop bad things and that literally only happens when a Republican is in office because liberals are blind.
Considering they both end up being indistinguishable policy-wise and Mango Mussolini’s presidency pushed libs to actually set brunch aside for a bit, I’d much rather take the latter.
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form a union, talk to your coworkers about how you need to be earning more
Doing these two things specifically would get me fired from my job
You can’t legally be fired for discussing wages. And if you don’t think you can form a union/join an existing one, there are plenty of leftist organizations that you are probably local to, that you can join. Something, anything is better than nothing. We have to foster true community, and organize before we can even hope and dream for something getting better.
you can’t legally
He didn’t say legally
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Employers violating labor laws knowing they will suffer no consequences? Not in my democracy 😤😤😤
If they are going to violate labor laws anyway, why don’t you just do it anyway as well? All I’m saying is do something.
why don’t you just do it anyway as well?
I hope you’re sitting down before you finish reading this sentence: a lot of people can’t afford to miss a paycheck.
If they are going to violate labor laws anyway, why don’t you just do it anyway as well? All I’m saying is do something.
Cool go do an adventurism then LOLOLOLOOLOLOLOL.
Jesus fucking christ… “You can’t legally be fired for discussing wages.” SMFH :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Yeah it’s not like it’s super common practice to shut down departments that get unionized, give agitators impossible schedules and tasks or just fire them for made up stuff.
rightist
Does anyone actually say “rightist”? Sounds like some “oh yeah, if we’re leftists, then YOU’RE RIGHTISTS!! HAHA THE PEN IS MIGHTER THAN THE SWORD MLADY!!”
Idk, I only hear it on hexbear lmao. You tell me.
Where to cop that sweater?
Jeremy Corbyns house
This should be spread far and wide to all libs everywhere.
Had to have high high
s for a livingI’m voting Jill Stein unironically
I may vote for a pig with poop on his balls
As a 40 year old voter I can say things have changed. Gay people can get married. They couldn’t when I was younger. I was about to lose my healthcare at work during Bush but it hasn’t been a concern since.
Nobody voted on that shit, it was a supreme court ruling, also losing healthcare is not a concern? What fuckin healthcare?
Also activists spent decades making huge sacrifices fighting for LGBTQ rights only for homophobic Democrat politicians like Hilldawg to come along and take all of the credit.
clinton falls into that category.
biden is worse: he voted against gay marriage and advocated against gays in federal service for almost 50 years and then pretended that he did none of that and gave token support when he needed the votes.
losing healthcare is not a concern
I have to guess they had a pre-existing condition or were self employed or something under bush, and don’t consider “you could get fired or go into huge medical debt at any moment” a concern (they should)
Yeah it’s a concern but my company saying “ insurance is going to make us drop some of you if you can’t pass a physical “ was really a meeting we had. So the possibility was way higher for sure.
The things is, Dems could have given us a single payer system but they specifically chose not to. They could have completely removed the risk of losing healthcare for everyone but they chose not to.
i wish people could see that democrats always rely on the “bad guy” excuse each time to kill a mildly progressive bill:
- build back better blocked by manchin and sinema
- immigration reform blocked by one random parliamentarian
- single payer healthcare blocked by lieberman.
Gay people getting married was pushed through by an unelected body that is appointed, and if the civility libs are to be believed, apolitical (lmao)
The majority of people in the US don’t have healthcare or are undercovered or are spending a huge portion of their income on it. The US has the worst healthcare system in the developed world, brought to you by the wonders of voooooting.
Voting he also brought us such wonderful things as endless wars and constant genocide. Very cool! Glad you can turn your brain off and ignore your elected representatives doing those things in your name but I cannot
I was about to lose my healthcare at work during Bush but it hasn’t been a concern since.
so what, you think things are good now?
If I want health insurance it’s going to be like 1/5th of my fucking pay. I would qualify for subsidies under the ACA, but guess what? my workplace offering insurance means I don’t qualify. Even though I have to fucking pay for that insurance
real good system we VOTED for, love me some VOTE
You don’t have healthcare, you buy into a ponzi scheme disguised as healthcare.
Thanks to Obama my affordable healthcare only costs me $1800 a month since I am unemployed.
I used to think the ACA was pretty good until I started needing to use my ACA health insurance.
Now I want to burn down every insurance corporation and I fucking hate Obama.
You’re one paycheck away from being featured on a Mr. Beast contest.
No. I’m doing decent. I’m pretty good at saving money so I have a pretty decent sized emergency fund. Plus the company I subcontract to would hire me if the OG company gets taken out somehow. Which it’s not.
You misunderstand, the size of your emergency fund does not change your class position
Gay people can get married because queer people agitated for that right for decades, and they finally got influential enough that they could not be ignored. It had nothing to do with who was in power. It wasn’t because they voooted. The people who were in power were against gay marriage until the conditions demanded that they weren’t.
Had the people in power not pivoted then agitation would have escalated until someone else got into power and pivoted.no one voted on approving gay marriage; it became legal because of decision from the the supreme court that invalidated doma.
the closes thing that makes your statement true is the respect for marriage act; which came 8 years after doma was invalidated and whose only real power is to give anti-gay bigots legal protections, since the supreme court already decided against anti-gay marriage laws.
My statement is that gay marriage, like all civil rights, was not won by voting, but because of agitation from a large group of people. The fact that it got instuted thru the supreme court furthers this argument, it does not lessen it.
As a 40 year old voter I can say things have changed.
Why are there so many lemmy dorkfucks in here? wtf…
Dear libs: How many dead Palestinian kids will it take for you to stop voting blue?
Voting while living in third world country is literally a waste of paper.
In peripheral nations outside the core is the only time where voting actually could lead to improvements, since there are segments of the national bourgeois who stand to gain from de-colonizing, so it’s possible to form a short-term coalition with them. In the core nations is where voting is pointless. The only nations to ever vote in socialism via the ballot box have been “third world” countries.
agreed, the great satan is a third world country
Isn’t the position of countries in the 3 worlds theory more about how they fit into the system of imperialism than about wellbeing of their citizens?
yes
but it’s also funny to
the yankoids misunderstanding of the concept against themYeah this whole three worlds schema doesn’t make much sense after the USSR collapsed
Idk we managed to get a center-left third party into power, something I don’t think will ever happen in the US
Here’s the thing. You can do both (vote and protest or revolt, etc.). Maybe voting won’t do anything but not voting definitely won’t.
The blue guy won and we still got genocide. Now we get to pick between the red guy who will continue to genocide Palestinians or the blue chick who will continue to genocide Palestinians. Really great system we’ve got here
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The whole point is most people don’t do both, they likely do neither and maybe vote (which doesn’t matter because it’s largely just spectacle anyway).
The bourgeois electoral process is a mechanism for dissipating political momentum. It’s the buffer between the masses and the elites. Picture a monarchist system on the verge of revolt, and the bankers funding the king come out and give a concession allowing the peasants to choose one of two new kings (both of whom have to go through an arbitrarily complicated selection process to ensure they aren’t going to lessen the bankers’ power and wealth). Some of the peasants might see through the ruse, but it only has to trick just enough of them to shift the balance of power back to the state apparatus.
The goal of leftists here isn’t to get people not to vote, it’s to help people see through the illusion, hoping to reach a critical mass that can affect material change. Historically, these critical masses are what forced puppet kings to give concessions. But history is rewritten to switch the causality, erasing activists and bestowing all credit on supposed great men.
I care more about your hair color or what you ate for breakfast than whether you vote and for whom. We need to see beyond the symbols and images and interact with the mechanisms they obscure.
Here’s the thing. Anyone who thinks voting matters is also a civility fetishizing liberal who abhors violence to the 100000th power. Here in the real world, actual change that has benefited working people has only ever come through either explicit violence wrought on their behalf, or by the threat of it. People didn’t get the 8 hour workday because they VOTED for it, they got it because enough pissed off, armed workers scared enough of the owning class that they felt compelled to pass it. 1850-1940s America was nearly a hundred fucking years of low-scale civil warfare and tbh if American workers didn’t get so fat off post-war prosperity it’d still be going. But they did and because this shit isn’t taught in our schools our country is filled with ignorant chuds who want to take us back to the stone ages and ignorant shit-libs who would gladly let them if the alternative meant violence.
So if you’re not going to vote then you’re going to go do violence? How much actual change have you produced from not voting? You see much benefit to working people from complaining online?
Those are the only two things in the world huh? Voting and violence? Oh and complaining online?
Have you thought about worker organization, work stoppages, boycotts, protests, economic shutdowns and other methods of applying pressure? Education programs, feeding the poor and training camps? Forming disciplined and militant groups to apply pressure?
Is all violence the same? Is a mass shooter killing random people the same as the working class beginning to defend itself against the ruling class? Even civility liberals admits self defense is fine but you want us to all be suffocated out by the capitalists quietly
but you want us to all be suffocated out by the capitalists quietly
Yes, they want us to
, shut the fuck up, and work our bones down to dust so they can have brunch in peace.
You see much benefit to working people from complaining online
About as much benefit as voting and giving legitimacy to our sham of a democracy
You are willfully ignoring the people giving you very good answers. People like you are the most insufferable people on the planet.
If you never withhold your vote than you have lost all leverage. Even in the logic of the stupid voting game always voting blue is a big fat L. If you are a reliable voting bloc, you will never get jack shit
You can also go climb a tree, it means the same as voting. Actually climbing a tree would objectively be better cuz at least you’ll get exercise.
in houston or san antonio you can get a decent stamina workout by waiting in line for hours at the only polling place in your entire city.
You receive: all my votes
You give me: nothing
Economics 101
I’m not voting for Hitler, Hitler Jr, or any of his cousins.
A no-vote is a vote of no confidence in the system. I’ll continue to vote in every presidential election, and it would be better if non-voters would instead vote for a third party like Green, PSL, or even whatever Cornell West is doing now. But i no longer blame anyone for not voting.
The problem is not voting itself. It is the bourgeois “democracy” framework it is often implemented in, which provides safeguards against change.
The problem is not voting. Is believing voting is the only thing to do to enforce democracy and civil rights.
The problem is not voting. Is believing voting is the only thing to do to enforce democracy and civil rights.
I don’t get the point. So instead of voting, we should hope for some lovely dictator that takes power and hope everyone in country loves that person? What′s the alternative? Just because change of government doesn’t magically fix all the problems does not mean you should not vote.
Go ahead and vote but don’t think it solves large-scale problems in America where every legislator is bought and paid for
I read this in a Dutch accent
I hope this braindead take grabs hold of the correct braindead people.
you’re going to be voting in “the most important election of our lives, we have to stop fascism” between a Democrat and a Republican whose actual policies and outcomes from governance are essentially identical right up until you’re dead
Also every election for the rest of our lives is going to be “the most important election of our lives” because the Democrats only have like two tricks
The way hexbear kink shames voting is really fucked up. I know enlightened people like us just absolutely get to go hogwild during voting season. I mean, I’m an absolute menace in that voting booth, just crankin’ my hog like there is no tomorrow. I think I make all the poll workers uncomfortable as I’m desperately screaming “ohh fUuucCk! I think I’m gonna VOOOOT!”
I’m calling the votecel police on you perverts
Civic doodie
Don’t forget to VOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTTTTTTTTTTTTT
yes, i hope liberals one day learn this lesson
