• spujb@lemmy.cafe
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    Keto was originally intended for children suffering from epilepsy, and was quite effective for it:

    The ketogenic diet is effective in substantially decreasing difficult-to-control seizures and can successfully be administered in a wide variety of settings. source

    More recently it has been adopted as a weight loss tool, but it doesn’t seem perfect and especially there seems to be no reason to participate for more than a few months (when a more wholesome diet intended for long term sustenance of fitness might be adopted):

    Ketogenic low-carbohydrate diets have increased in popularity over recent years, but the degree of carbohydrate restriction required to achieve ketosis remains unclear. In general, studies have shown greater weight loss at 3–6 months with KLC diets compared with LF diets, however this difference is no longer apparent at 12 months. source

    That said, this meme participates in a series of ad hominem attacks about the character of those participating in keto dieting which are broadly inaccurate and clearly intended to effect rage in its audience, which explains the poor reception of the post. I would suggest better rhetorical methods than exhibited here to those interested in furthering the adoption of vegan diets.

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    52% upvoted

    You can shitpost about anything, but not their sacred right to eat industrial meat.

    Good job op.

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      What I’ve been finding so far about lemmy is that if I post something vegan that puts all the blame on corporations, the upvotes come rolling in. But anything else is either closer to a 1:1 ratio, or downvote abyss.

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        perhaps it’s because you’re insulting the very people you’re trying to convert to your cause. work on your rhetoric and watch your success rate skyrocket

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      lol this “us vs them” mentality is what keeps the meat industry strong. If Vegan’s weren’t insufferable the entire meat industry would’ve died in ‘07.

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        Im pretty sure you yourself know how untrue that is. People who eat meat do so mainly out of habit. Habits get engraved in your personality in a way that your ego will defend them to the death. If anyone or anything tries to change or question your habits, your ego interprets that as a personal attack.

        Its not really their fault, they have all the necessary information but cant overcome the habit hurdle. It depends strongly on your surroundings and how open you are to new things. It is not in our nature to question things that ‘have always worked this way’.

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      There is a vegan keto, and at least one study has found it to not have the same harms that other variants of keto has. The problem there is that it’s an extremely restrictive diet, so good luck to anyone trying to stick to that.

      Aside from the one legitimate use it has - alleviating seizure symptoms - keto is just plain a diet that makes no sense for humans whatsoever.

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    I wandered into a /c/vegancirclejerk post in my feed yesterday https://lemmy.world/post/15870764 That was fun and informative, in a way.

    They really, really don’t like you pointing out that they could just eat what they want and nobody would care, they just have to make it their public identity because they get off on being oppressed.

    Funniest bit is one of the mods got fussy and deleted all my comments and banned me- then the other mod removed them as mod. Hard to maintain solidarity in a group when its built entirely on the need to be oppressed. Eventually your own team becomes your oppressor.

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      They really, really don’t like you pointing out that they could just eat what they want and nobody would care, they just have to make it their public identity because they get off on being oppressed

      I’m confused, is this about vegans or meat eaters?

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      Lol you do realise that people can just see the mod log and look at the bullshit comments of yours that got removed yeah?

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        Yeah I almost posted a screenshot of them but figured that might be against the rules.

        But the removals got the mod removed so you have to wonder if my comments really deserved to be removed or if some prissy vegan mod just got triggered by some reasonable points I made about ‘circlejerking’ your dietary preferences they just didn’t want to hear.

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            Then you should probably go fuss at that other mod for removing the guy that removed them. Or maybe you’re a lot like the mod that got removed. Makes you think… well- it might if you weren’t too angry at an internet stranger to be very self-aware right now.

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        these bean sprouts have like 15lbs of muscle mass between them. first dude is a race car driver? Lmao What a joke some twig on the list for being able to walk a long distance?

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        Lol, they’re so rare you have to make a list of vegan athletes. This is a prime example of the exception proving the rule.

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          It’s a sample size issue. What percentage of people make the effort to get swole? It’s maybe (maybe not) a similar figure to how many vegans bother to get strong. Now what percentage of all people are vegan? Estimates range from 1% to 10%, with 3-5% being probably the most reasonable estimate.

          But you’re the one making the claim without backing it up. Vegans can get all the protein they need, even when strength training. And the best part is we do it without the heart disease, cancer risk, and autoimmune diseases.

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            Out of curiosity, what autoimmune diseases are prevented by veganism? I’ve never heard of that before (vegan btw)

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              the venus williams bit mentions that being vegan helps with the symptoms of some autoimmune disease. it doesn’t say it prevents them (at least not from my reading)

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            one of them is a lifter. one of them plays pro football. everyone else is endurance, speed, or technical athlete. so while being vegan seems like a reasonable option for people who don’t need mass and strength, it appears that vegans who have those attributes are outliers.

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            I’m hearing excuses. I’m not the original commenter, I’m not making the frail and brittle claim.

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      Misinformation, you are lying.

      [A] comprehensive meta-analysis reports a significant protective effect of a vegetarian diet versus the incidence and/or mortality from ischemic heart disease (−25%) and incidence from total cancer (−8%). Vegan diet conferred a significant reduced risk (−15%) of incidence from total cancer. source

      [And the results of this study] suggest that a vegan diet does not seem to be detrimental to endurance and muscle strength in healthy young lean women. In fact, our study showed that submaximal endurance might be better in vegans compared with omnivores. Therefore, these findings contradict the popular belief of the general population. source