President Volodymyr Zelensky believes that Ukraine's partners "are afraid of Russia losing the war" and would like Kyiv "to win in such a way that Russia does not lose," Zelensky said in a meeting with journalists attended by the Kyiv Independent.

President Volodymyr Zelensky believes that Ukraine’s partners “are afraid of Russia losing the war” and would like Kyiv “to win in such a way that Russia does not lose,” Zelensky said in a meeting with journalists attended by the Kyiv Independent.

Kyiv’s allies “fear” Russia’s loss in the war against Ukraine because it would involve “unpredictable geopolitics,” according to Zelensky. “I don’t think it works that way. For Ukraine to win, we need to be given everything with which one can win,” he said.

His statement came on May 16 amid Russia’s large-scale offensive in Kharkiv Oblast and ongoing heavy battles further east. In a week, Russian troops managed to advance as far as 10 kilometers in the northern part of Kharkiv Oblast, according to Zelensky.

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  • deft@lemmy.wtfEnglish
    281·
    7 months ago

    Fuck.

    I understand the math but disgusted at the moral/ethics.

    Destruction would potentially cause post WWI vibe, could create a massive migration issue, cause further suffering or the development of horrible black market bullshit or anything in between, that power vacuum would be awful.

    Burn out would probably cause more revolutionary thinking and inspire a change in direction.

    Fuck. I honestly just want people to not fuckin die.

    • trafficnab@lemmy.caEnglish
      175·
      7 months ago

      “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.”

      As long as there are people willing to kill to oppose it, death is an unfortunate necessity for democracy’s preservation.

      • InternetPerson@lemmings.worldEnglish
        54·
        7 months ago

        I wonder whether it’s possible to fight wars without – ideally – having casaulties at all.

        For example, sedating instead of killing. Afterwards prison camps or something like that. Admittedly, given the scale, it is financially and logistically a tremendous effort. But how much must a human life “be worth” in order to be spared?

        There are other obvious issues like civil unrest, if the other party keeps killing soldiers of one’s own military.

        Still, it’s better than to end lifes from my perspective. One side must be the bigger one.

        We spend so much effort and resources into specialising how to kill each other. But we don’t use that resources for finding alternative ways.

        If there are people who really want to kill each other, throw them together and leave the rest alone.

        • L3mmyW1nks@lemmy.worldEnglish
          83·
          7 months ago

          That’s one interesting concept of future wars. I like it. Walking down the streets and bam sleeping gas!
          Wake up in some waiting room with thousands of others, massive headache, getting water and pain meds handed by enemy military personnel. Watch the latest statistics on which nation got most people in possession. Get sent home, learn new language, get used to new religion. War is exhausting but also fun.