Also, they had mayors and stuff, a VERY clear class division and were technically under the rule of Gondor after the Northern Kingdom fell but Gondor didn’t really have the resources or urge to do any ruling over there. Once Aragorn was in they were essentially an autonomous zone under military protection in exchange for maintaining the local roads and bridges.

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    This tickled something in my brain, and I finally figured out what: Последний кольценосец

    The Last Ringbearer is a 1999 fantasy fan-fiction book by the Russian paleontologist Kirill Yeskov. It is an alternative account of, and an informal sequel to, the events of J. R. R. Tolkien’s The Lord of the Rings. […]

    Critics have stated that the book is well-known to Tolkien fans in Russia, and that it provides an alternate take on the story. Scholars have variously called it a parody and a paraquel. They have interpreted it as a critique of totalitarianism, or of Tolkien’s anti-modern racial and environmental vision coupled with a destruction of technology which could itself be called totalitarian. The book contains sections of Russian history, and while it says little directly on real-world politics, it can be read as an ironic riposte to American exceptionalism. In 2001 the book earned the Strannik Literary Award in the “Sword in the Stone” (Fantasy) nomination.

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      I’ve really gotta read that. I’m a giant Tolkien nerd and interact with some of well known Tolkien academics online and have added ‘Do normal spiders exist in middle earth or are they all descendants of Ungoliant?’ To the discussion with a degree of pot stirring. I’m also generally a pretty sympathetic to the orcs and have some criticism regarding elves.

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        It’s a page-turner, but what no one ever says about it in the summaries is that it’s like a geo-political spy thriller set in middle earth after the books. It’s so good and not at all what I thought it’d be going in.

        while it says little directly on real-world politics

        fucking baby-brained summary I expect nothing less from natopedia

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            I like how it turns some life into the Middle Earth because originals really portray it as the mostly uninhabited wilderness, and both the numbers of troops at Pellenor and the analytic works like Atlas of Middle-Earth support this initial feeling.

            I remember also one other Russian writer, Nick Perumov, wrote a trilogy placed in the 4th era, which present way less dreary and boring picture than official endings are suggesting. Worth the read.

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        I was positive that regular spiders do exist and were servants of Vairë the Weaver, but I guess I was extrapolating from a line that refers to her weavings as “webs”.

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          The ‘spiders’ that descend from ungoliant can make webs. But shelob for example is said to have compound eyes, a thick hide (weird way to describe an exoskeleton) and a stinger on the thorax. Spiders don’t have these

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            Shelob herself is only ever described as “most like” a spider.

            I guess it’s fair to say that because Middle Earth is a fictional time and place in our world that real spiders do exist, but that they don’t appear in canon

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              I’m guessing the intent is they gradually diminished into the lil guys we know and Tolkien just didn’t know much about bugs. Whether he was afraid of spiders was addressed by him in a letter, since both of his really popular books have giant spooky spiders. I guess he didn’t have any specific fear of spiders, he wasn’t a fan but wasn’t bothered by them. He just had a rough idea for the whole ungoliant thing, the broad strokes came into The Hobbit spiders and then Shelob kinda reconnected it to the greater mythology.

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        ‘Do normal spiders exist in middle earth or are they all descendants of Ungoliant?’

        I also once wondered about it so guess this isn’t such weird question if we came to it independently. Both the existence of Shelob and spiders in Hobbit seems to support it as clear hierararchy of decline of spiderkind, like other species in Tolkien universe also decline in time and generations. Maybe Tolkien just hated spiders, i do know that fragment in Hobbit is the hardest part to read for me out of entirety of his works.

    • i’ve heard of it and it does sound interesting, but i’ve always been somewhat wary of the LOTR extended universe since being burned by the silmarillion (its so long and my dyslexic ass has a job 😭) - how knowledgeable about middle earth do you have to be to enjoy it? i loved the original books but i’m a bit of a noob when it comes to fingolfin/feanor/etc