a fall guy to the producers who brought a bunch of non union workers on set during a strike. obviously she fucked up, but this isn’t just on her, she was at work.
This is a dumb take. Her only job was to make sure the weapons are safe, and she had live ammo on set. The producers may share some of the blame with her, but she’s no fall guy.
She was also supposedly complaining about the judge and jury on her recorded phone calls. The judge sounded incandescent with rage while sentencing her to the maximum of 18 months. In another jurisdiction manslaughter could land you many years in prison.
interesting that it was actually a white dude in a position with considerable power who discharged the firearm, maybe Baldwin could have checked the gun too.
If i’m caught accidentally shooting someone with live ammunition can I blame the last person who held the weapon, or is it my responsibility to check it myself?
Alec Baldwin shot an killed a woman ffs, and the buck has stopped with some low level minion.
Baldwin’s fault was for hiring subpar staff that were not qualified to perform their duties. And he’s just as culpable for the death on set as the other producers and people calling the shots.
With that said, no, a person he assumed was more knowledgeable about firearms than himself handed him a weapon, told him it was safe and loaded with blanks, and he believed them. In that circumstance, he was not responsible for the fatal discharge, and your straw man is not relevant or hold water, as this wasn’t just a stranger handing him a loaded weapon, this was a paid (supposedly) professional armorer whose entire job description encompasses safe and best practices of firearms on set.
While what you said is factual, this also was the very specific reason she was brought to the set: the safe and professional handling of firearms and firearm analogous props. Her entire job was to ensure no one got shot. 18 months for manslaughter is a slap on the wrist.
Oh absolutely, this was a complete failure from top to bottom on responsibilities and best practices. The level of incompetence on display here is at a level where I would hesitate to let this team manage a bake sale, let alone run around with dead weapons to try and make their little picture seem cool.
They are a subsection of Props which covers everything an actor holds or interacts with during a scene (minus things like furniture) and some things worn during a scene like jewelry (some overlap with costume dept there so not exclusively everything is props)
Armorer specifically deals with the sourcing and safe handling of weapons and armor. Depending on where you are all Props people need to be licenced to handle weapons wherever licencing programs exist so all props people can do the most basic armorer tasks but generally speaking once you stop dealing with rubber toy look-alikes and airsoft weapons most shows will upgrade to an armorer who has specialized knowledge to handle loading, proper storage and instruction on proper handling and guidance.
I did some googling and it seems like she should’ve been considered too inexperienced for the job, from what I read, westerns are particularly difficult due to the amount of guns on set and should’ve been supported by a crew of multiple armorers?
She’s also simultaneously facing charges of concealing firearms to get them past a bouncer then showing off that she snuck a gun in on social media, so idk how much sympathy I have for her…
Oh… Have no sympathy. This production absolutely should have had more armourers than it did which is one of many reasons why every slimeball Producer deserves to be fined on the thing. She herself was so far off best practice she might as well have been on the moon so the liability pie has a slice for everyone involved.
I have worked shows like this and there’s a certain attitude Production takes where they tend to actively pick and reward people they know will cut corners because doing things slapdash is cheaper and saves them money long term. I have my own tales of Production sleeze that could have gone fantastically wrong and ended up with people dead but didn’t because of basically just luck.
a fall guy to the producers who brought a bunch of non union workers on set during a strike. obviously she fucked up, but this isn’t just on her, she was at work.
This is a dumb take. Her only job was to make sure the weapons are safe, and she had live ammo on set. The producers may share some of the blame with her, but she’s no fall guy.
She was also supposedly complaining about the judge and jury on her recorded phone calls. The judge sounded incandescent with rage while sentencing her to the maximum of 18 months. In another jurisdiction manslaughter could land you many years in prison.
She additionally lacked remorse. She was feeling sorry for herself and how this conviction would adversely affect her own modeling career.
I think 18 months was very little all things considered.
And she’s also the child of an armorer so it’s not like this was her first rodeo.
interesting that it was actually a white dude in a position with considerable power who discharged the firearm, maybe Baldwin could have checked the gun too.
If i’m caught accidentally shooting someone with live ammunition can I blame the last person who held the weapon, or is it my responsibility to check it myself?
Alec Baldwin shot an killed a woman ffs, and the buck has stopped with some low level minion.
Baldwin’s fault was for hiring subpar staff that were not qualified to perform their duties. And he’s just as culpable for the death on set as the other producers and people calling the shots.
With that said, no, a person he assumed was more knowledgeable about firearms than himself handed him a weapon, told him it was safe and loaded with blanks, and he believed them. In that circumstance, he was not responsible for the fatal discharge, and your straw man is not relevant or hold water, as this wasn’t just a stranger handing him a loaded weapon, this was a paid (supposedly) professional armorer whose entire job description encompasses safe and best practices of firearms on set.
While what you said is factual, this also was the very specific reason she was brought to the set: the safe and professional handling of firearms and firearm analogous props. Her entire job was to ensure no one got shot. 18 months for manslaughter is a slap on the wrist.
That’s fine. They need to prosecute the producers as well.
Oh absolutely, this was a complete failure from top to bottom on responsibilities and best practices. The level of incompetence on display here is at a level where I would hesitate to let this team manage a bake sale, let alone run around with dead weapons to try and make their little picture seem cool.
Wait, so what’s the role of an armorer on set?
They are a subsection of Props which covers everything an actor holds or interacts with during a scene (minus things like furniture) and some things worn during a scene like jewelry (some overlap with costume dept there so not exclusively everything is props)
Armorer specifically deals with the sourcing and safe handling of weapons and armor. Depending on where you are all Props people need to be licenced to handle weapons wherever licencing programs exist so all props people can do the most basic armorer tasks but generally speaking once you stop dealing with rubber toy look-alikes and airsoft weapons most shows will upgrade to an armorer who has specialized knowledge to handle loading, proper storage and instruction on proper handling and guidance.
Thanks! I don’t know much about filmmaking.
I did some googling and it seems like she should’ve been considered too inexperienced for the job, from what I read, westerns are particularly difficult due to the amount of guns on set and should’ve been supported by a crew of multiple armorers?
She’s also simultaneously facing charges of concealing firearms to get them past a bouncer then showing off that she snuck a gun in on social media, so idk how much sympathy I have for her…
Oh… Have no sympathy. This production absolutely should have had more armourers than it did which is one of many reasons why every slimeball Producer deserves to be fined on the thing. She herself was so far off best practice she might as well have been on the moon so the liability pie has a slice for everyone involved.
I have worked shows like this and there’s a certain attitude Production takes where they tend to actively pick and reward people they know will cut corners because doing things slapdash is cheaper and saves them money long term. I have my own tales of Production sleeze that could have gone fantastically wrong and ended up with people dead but didn’t because of basically just luck.
So she didn’t bring live rounds on set and put those live rounds in a prop gun intended for actors in a movie?