lemmygrad just lost two users.
Inshallah their brave sacrifice was worth it
Was it @[email protected] and @[email protected]?
Had clearance, on lemmygrad, still not traitor. Try harder.
I’ll refrain from responding in case I’m not on a watch list yet
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Wei and his handler agreed to hide their communications by deleting records of their conversations and using encrypted methods of communications, officials claim in the indictment
I guess we have no clue if they actually spying or not (based if they were), but I wanna take this time to reiterate: do not put anything incriminating online, if you were under suspicion from the state for doing something like spying e2e encryption is not going to stop them from finding out
Well just the same it’s as likely that:
- His handler was a double-agent or US operative fishing them the whole time.
- He confessed to it after a slip-up or under suspicion after being questioned.
- They found out at some point, got malware sent to his phone, decypted the messages that way.
- Some combination of these.
While it certainly is possible that the US has compromised and/or is running top e2e encrypted messengers and I wouldn’t use them myself for anything that’s considered a serious threat to national security, it’s also just as likely they may have for example used metadata inference via the big brother NSA global intercept program (which actually is a number of programs) to say “hey this US military IP address sure is sending regular messages to this IP address we’ve inferred (which itself is the real breach here in China’s operations if true) to belong to Chinese intelligence via this encrypted messenger” at which point they don’t have to know message content to know something is up, deploy the malware/and|or seize the device physically and there ya go.
US going around shitting and crying itself over Chinese “societal surveillance” that they fear will and has historically allowed them to shut down American spy networks in China do the same thing but globally and not just nationally and unlike China have no protections against misuse, share the data with between 1 (UK), 7, 14, or 21 countries (eyes agreements), and oh yeah practice rendition, torture, and assassination without trial.
I was honestly more thinking malware yeah. Regardless I think we’re in agreement, all I’m saying is that if the eye of sauron is on you nothing is going to stop them from finding evidence if you put it online
Just a reminder that no matter how much you sell yourself out to try to fit in, if you are ethnically Chinese (or Russian, or whichever ethnic group the US currently is scapegoating) you will always be the Other and the first to be targeted. Doesn’t matter if you get the passport, become a soldier or a cop, you will never be one of them.
Since they are going to get blamed for it and railroaded whether they did it or not, I hope they at least actually did get some information to China. I can’t imagine they had all that much China didn’t already know about though.
The boots they so fanatically lick will likely one day be the same boot that kicks their lifeless bodies into a ditch
Hey, if you’re extremely lucky you may become a token for a bit like Candace Owens.
Or a lifetime of Uncle Tom like Sowell.
Have you ever watched “Midnight Mass” on Netflix? There’s a Muslim sheriff in the small US town, and he talks about the same thing.
These chargea don’t get levied by NCIS without having most of the evidence first.
UCMJ court martial os actually an expensive process and billed against the budget of the offending command.
Down vote as for explaining the Navy’s judicial processes?
The U.S. justice system is a lot like its foreign policy:
Literally doesn’t apply in this situation. NCIS are not street cops and they have no interest in foreign policy.
Their sole duty is to investigate crimes under the UCMJ. This is necessary as the Navy operates outside federal jurisdiction due to the nature of their work, and must be able to prosecute criminals at sea.
its broad mandate includes national security, counterintelligence, counterterrorism, cyberwarfare, and the protection of U.S. naval assets worldwide.
Sure, no interest in foreign policy
Breaches of it of course. The very textbook example is sending classified documents to an unsecured recipient.
Setting foreign policy? Making mandates? Villainizing countries?
Dude get your head adjusted.
Hot damn you must be an engineer or something, building those rocket-propelled goalposts like that
Imagine willfully misunderstanding jurisdiction
Lol what the fuck… there’s a lot of CCP and Russian apologist on Lemmy.
Seriously, the US gov. Is not spending resources to scapegoat someone…
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The us gov is spending trillions just on scapegoating china
China: the same country that lies about their imports/exports ratios.
China: the same country where all loans are through the government and if you are successful enough the government assumes control of your operations.
China: the same country that can’t retake Formosa because they aren’t a credible military threat.
China: the same country that destroyed its most important international port (HK) to gain nothing?
That China?
There’s plenty of tankies on the platform.
Navy…soldiers?
In USA even the curb polishers are called “troopers”, that country just have overwhelming military fetish.
Mistake in writing the title, I was tired enough to not notice it
Welp, not long now
Not long until what?
WWIII
Not sure exactly what I meant, just typed from the heart. Not long until that next big dread horizon reaches us, I guess. Not long until my asian friends have to start concealed carrying
BTW, there’s a mess of lib comments on other instances you can’t see here on Lemmygrad because the parent was removed by our glorious admins
Okay, how do liberals keep wandering in here? Did someone open a window or something?
They haven’t defederated us yet, so we still show up on their all page.
Some of them are doing it just to get banned by us, which I don’t really understand…
They have a need to justify their warped worldview. They believe we’re evil authoritarians, and they are taught to hate authority (unless it aligns with their wants), and so they will harass and argue with us in bad faith until they are inevitably banned, all so they can say “See? They silence those they disagree with!” They have a martyr complex and think harassing people online by talking out of their ass is like standing up to tyranny. It helps them deal with the dissonance of believing they’re free and righteous while supporting the most warmongering regime in human history.
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Not really, no. I don’t seek out evidence to justify my worldview. In fact, any time I come across something that reaffirms what I believe, my first instinct is to verify by checking multiple sources and waiting for confirmation that it’s not just a lie. We don’t think getting banned on a liberal or fascist forum makes us martyrs or justifies our worldview. Some people do it to harass fascists, but most MLs who get shutdown on other forums honestly were just trying to explain their views and were punished for it. The only times I’ve ever seen people banned in ML circles were for repeated instances of bad faith argument and harassment.
You may get downvoted to hell, but as long as you aren’t being a thoughtless asshole, you’re not likely to get banned, lol. Even if you are, you can appeal and will probably be listened to.
I’m not saying you’re guilty of brigading or being an asshole to other sides or whatever, but all sides have assholes. Especially when there’s effectively only 2 parties in America, there’s gonna be assholes on both sides because being left or right or centrist doesn’t mean you’re any less of an asshole.
There is one party in America, the rich people’s party, and they play both sides of the culture war.
Preach.
“I crap on the floor instead of the toilet, so everyone else must do it too!”
I don’t understand your point?
CicadaSpectre made a claim about a specific group (Lemmy liberals* that come here in bad faith), and you claimed that this applies to every single person on the planet
*By liberals, this includes Democrats and Republicans in the US – we mean liberals like “liberal democracy” not like Trump uses it
Oh, thanks for the clarification. I was saying that all sides have people that do things in bad faith, not that all people do it.
I didn’t know that most people were referring to liberal democracy, thought everyone here just hated the left for some reason lol
You’re assuming that just because one thing is bad, all similar things must be equally bad.
To use a far less crude analogy: If you were stabbed with a knife in a back alley, that would be pretty horrible, but if you were to be operated on by a doctor, they would still cut you open, but it wouldn’t be a bad thing like the first one.
They seem to view getting banned with pride, like it’s a rite of passage or something. So childish…
God I’m so sick and tired of these comments. You people sound the same as the Trumpanzees.
Look, I don’t like Biden either, but unfortunately he’s our best shot at keeping Trump out of office. As much as we all want it, the country isn’t ready for a 3rd party president yet.
Can’t we all just get along?
It might be helpful to mention that when we say “liberals” here, we mean liberal as in “liberal democracy,” not the weird US definition where Trump raging at liberals isn’t a self-own.
(Speaking of the US, I can’t help but agree that without a real left presence since the government crushes any movement like the Black Panthers, the country is going to steer hard right at some point.)
Both are actively driving us further towards WW3, climate catastrophe, genocide, and absurd inflation. Biden has been a bigger enemy to working people than Trump has been in several ways, and of course Trump worse than Biden in other ways too. They both represent different factions of the ruling class who may have disagreements with each other, but are unified in oppressing the global proletariat. To pretend like Biden is a serious safeguard to rising American fascism ignores the ways Biden and Democrats have not only actively encouraged and partnered with the most extreme elements of the Republican Party but also engage in fascist politics of their own. Biden’s function is not to stop Trump. His function is to stop revolution. They are twin heads of a single snake.
Working Americans are hopeless unless they can dispel with the fiction that the Democrats ever gave a shit about them.
See this is what I mean. I agree with every single thing you said, yet you act like we’re different people. It’s annoying and I’m fucking tired of it. Y’all sound like MAGAts with your “liberal” and “democrat” bullshit. Come up with a new insult. You’re only driving away people that you depend on for this movement to gain some traction.
We are different people. You think we need to vote for Biden to save the world from Trump as if it’s going to make a significant difference in our trajectory. You’ve admitted that you are invested in this electoral farce while also admitting that both Biden and Trump are our enemies. You’ve admitted that you agree Biden is pushing us further towards a global catastrophe yet you’ve stressed the importance of voting for him? That’s a confused position and you need to interrogate that further.
I understand viewing voting as another battleground that we can’t abandon, and if that’s your opinion I agree with you there. But that does not indicate that we corrale and gaslight working people who are actively being harmed by one fascist to vote for the other fascist. In addition, the majority of participants here think it’s delusional to dedicate the majority of our efforts towards electoralism. It’s also masochistic to be emotionally invested in this charade of voting for people who actively and enthusiastically betray us.
I’m really not trying to be rude here, so I’m sorry for the bluntness of my text. If you consider yourself a socialist and not a liberal, well, that’s perplexing to me because you seem invested in liberalism. If you are a liberal, then why are you here on a communist forum trying to argue with us? If you’re curious about communist thought then you could choose to learn and observe. If you wanna engage in discussion or even a debate, then at least attempt to engage in good faith (you’re the one here calling us names). Even if you don’t agree with us, you’ll hopefully better understand where we’re coming from.
We need to take a closer look at China born Chinese that grew up in China. They are very likely Chinese nationalist. It’s complicated but a lot of these younger generations in China are so brainwashed to the point they truly believe they owe CCP/China.
They come to the US/west for economic/academic reasons. They might want to stay in the west but their heart and mind still loyal to China/CCP. They are so dumb that they can’t differentiate China!=CCP.
And there’s my morning dose of racism! I figured it would show up within a few minutes of checking this site.
I think we should be looking at Chinese in America, they are very much like Chinese nationalists
Hmm yes maybe we should all concentrate them in a few areas so it’s easier to keep an eye on them.
Lurkers: when we say scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds, this is why
They are very likely Chinese nationalist.
Says the American exceptionalist lol
What a couple of shitbags, hope they are locked up for a long time…
They should get a medal for what they did.
If you were a German in 1938 and two Wermacht soldiers were accused of spying for the USSR, you would be saying the exact same thing as you are now. I say this not as a dunk, but as a solemn acknowledgement that we are all products of our social environment. I don’t think you’re stupid, or a “bad person” (whatever that means) but I do think you should stop and consider the path that uncritically accepting your government’s narratives about their rivals can lead you down.
You’re probably giving them too much credit. The spies would have to be US or UK, or puppets of those regimes, for them to say what we’re saying. I suspect they don’t favor the USSR over the Nazis.
The spies would have to be US or UK
Doesn’t matter, if they were a German in 1938, they would have also hoped the Nazis locked up these communist spies in the same way as they would hope the Nazis would lock up a spy for the US.
(Although I can’t help but feel like anyone who would spy for the US supported the Nazis…)
I agree. I’m just saying I don’t think the person would sympathize.
Nice WW2 reference from somebody supporting a corrupt genocidal regime lol how many people were starved to death by their dumbass government during the lost decade again? Like 10 million? And last time I checked we aren’t holding any minorities in concentration camps like piss ant Pooh boy Lol you deserve to lick that shit stained boot
And last time I checked we aren’t holding any minorities in concentration camps
You must have never checked then, the US has never not had minorities in concentration camps.
Currently, I believe we called them “ICE detention facilities” and “prisons”
85,000 in border camps as of a month ago, iirc
Yes, because letting people who cannot survive on their own, into your country is real smart.
You know the EU is dealing with this same shit from immigrants from the middle east right?
The U.S. and EU shouldn’t be allowed to speak on immigration after all the wars and coups they did in the countries they’re racist about getting immigrants from.
Almost like both sides are wrong and supporting the us government or the Chinese government is both bad.
Just kinda seems like China is a little more blatantly evil…
https://www.fao.org/documents/card/en/c/cc0639en
The report here shows in Table A1.1 that the rate of undernourishment in 2004-6 was 7% and in 2019-21 was less than 2.5% (the lowest level they report).
So, as far as I can tell, China has made strides in feeding its population. Isn’t that a good thing?
Sure. That’s a single specific instance of a good thing. You can do the same for the US.
Reminds me of the phrase, “good people do bad things and bad people do good things.”
I sincerely don’t understand how anyone can be so supportive towards ANY government.
Support the people, not the tyrants.
I confused you for the other person who was accusing China of starving millions of people.
Is it really that hard to believe that not every government is tyrannical, and that some actually care about their citizens though?
Congratulations, you managed to almost fit every deranged liberal take into one post. You forgot to try to squeeze something about social credit in there.
Says the lemmygrad user
Is that supposed to be a comeback? Like yes, I do in fact have a cohesive worldview that isnt just “me country good, other country bad”
When they run out of things to say, all that’s left is the smug leaking out of their face holes.
They’re just hoping you have epilepsy and get a seizure from clicking on their profile I think
Interesting picture, I like it. Thanks for sharing.
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the United States would never make up a case to try and paint their enemy in a bad light you’re right
but honestly even if they were, good, death to Amerikkka cracker
