Tinder, a dating app, has recently updated its Terms of Service. Among minor bureaucratic modifications, one major change aims to battle impersonations. From now on, Tinder will ban web developers who claim to be 'engineers'. While backend- and other types of software developers seem to be unaffected, many believe the ToS will be amended soon to include those as well.
  • xor@infosec.pub
    6733·
    9 months ago

    can we ban web developers who call themselves “developers”?

    also php programmers who call themselves anything?

    • TheHarpyEagle@lemmy.world
      491·
      9 months ago

      Nah, no need for this kind of gatekeeping. Anyone who deals with js and its billions of frameworks on a daily basis deserves to be called a developer.

        • tryptaminev 🇵🇸 🇺🇦 🇪🇺@feddit.de
          5·
          9 months ago

          Heyyy its your super duper new project manager! I hope you are feeling a-mazing because you are my a-ce on the team. Anyways i need you to do things twice as fast, because we are running low on budget after sales promised another feature without extra billing and the CEO already signed off on it. Please make this happen somehow. If this project isn’t succesfull i’ll get fired and have to sell the house. But no pressure!

        • Phoenixz@lemmy.ca
          1·
          9 months ago

          Never used it in over 23 years of using PHP. Also, I don’t thing that has existed anymore for the past 10 years or so?

          Seriously, if we’re going to do this, can we also bitch about painful java apps from 10 years ago, or the hilariously shitty modules in node from 10 years ago? I can go on for a while, but you hopefully get the point.

            • Phoenixz@lemmy.ca
              1·
              8 months ago

              My confusion is that you hate it tosay because someone over a decade ago wrote 10 times the same complaint that was mostly fixed already since about a decade ago

        • dan@upvote.au
          61·
          9 months ago

          That article is over a decade old. A lot of these issues aren’t relevant any more or have been fixed. Some weren’t even PHP issues, for example mysql_real_escape_string is a MySQL API (https://dev.mysql.com/doc/c-api/8.0/en/mysql-real-escape-string.html).

          PHP isn’t the best language, but it’s not as bad as some people claim it to be, especially if you use a good framework like Laravel.

          • xor@infosec.pub
            17·
            9 months ago

            lol, no… it sucks
            trust me, if you’ve already gotten used to php, you’re smart enough to learn a better language.
            really just use node if you’re going that sorta route…

            • dan@upvote.au
              1·
              9 months ago

              JavaScript has a lot of the same issues as PHP. It doesn’t have some of the same core library issues because it doesn’t have a good core library.

              • xor@infosec.pub
                1·
                9 months ago

                ECMA 6 has had drastic improvements over the past js…
                however node is still infinitely better than php, and since javascript is inexorably a part of web development, it’s a lot more logical to use it on the backend too…

                i don’t mean that node is great, i mean that it’s an easy transition from php, a billion times better, and much more modern and useful… so a very natural transition…

                • dan@upvote.au
                  21·
                  9 months ago

                  ECMA 6 has had drastic improvements over the past js…

                  Sure, but it still lacks basic built-in features. For example, why do maps and sets not have sort or filter methods? In Node, why is there no built-in way to connect to a database of any sort? Why can Node.js apps only use a single time zone? Requiring libraries for everything is not ideal as the libraries vary wildly in quality and they can end up either abandoned or containing malware (which has happened several times in the Node ecosystem).

                  still infinitely better than php

                  They each have their pros and cons, depending on use case. Node.js does some things better than PHP, but the opposite is true too.

                  • You can build a whole PHP website without using any third-party libraries, and it’ll work on any web host that supports PHP (literally any good web host that exists today). There’s value in having that level of flexibility.
                  • You can build a PHP site today and it’ll mostly still be working (maybe with some minor changes) in 5 years, whereas for some of my Node.js sites I have to switch to an older version of Node just to build them. For example https://obviousspoilers.com/ has been practically untouched since 2009.
                  • The fact that PHP can run multiple apps in the same FPM process means that you can run thousands of sites on a single server without issues. There’s some non-Node solutions to this (like Cloudflare workers) but they’re mostly proprietary at the moment.
                  • There are more PHP than Node.js jobs, and far more sites use PHP. Wordpress uses PHP and powers over 40% of the web, so that means that at least 40% of all websites use PHP.
                  • xor@infosec.pub
                    12·
                    9 months ago

                    wordpress does not power 40% of the web…
                    im not going to argue any more than that because this is a humorous type community, and ya’ll are getting too serious.

                    i hope you enjoy all of your “programming” with your garbage little “language” and POS word🤢press🤮

                    p.s. notice how everyone who argues in favor of php and wordpress ONLY know that language and framework?
                    what a curious thing…

                • dan@upvote.au
                  11·
                  9 months ago

                  Adding a third-party library in PHP is just as easy. The composer.json file looks very similar to a package.json.

                  • xor@infosec.pub
                    1·
                    9 months ago

                    i was responding to your comment about js not have a good core library…
                    php having libraries is completely moot

        • Phoenixz@lemmy.ca
          11·
          9 months ago

          That is literally a decade old article with basically 1 complaint that sometimes functions are strpos() and sometimes str_len(). Anything else it’s saying is “I don’t even know how to say it”. Really now? Any of your complaints have been fixed since about a decade ago, so why don’t you give it a try?

          • xor@infosec.pub
            11·
            9 months ago

            lol, no…
            also this is a joke sub so stop trying to sea lion me about it.
            also your “summation” of the article is pretty stupid

    • AlecSadler@sh.itjust.works
      12·
      9 months ago

      I’m a full-stack web developer and am involved all the way through including cloud infrastructure, API development, database creation/maintenance, test automation, architecture etc.

      I guess what makes a “developer” in your context different? Embedded? Kernel?

      • ThyTTY@lemmy.world
        9·
        9 months ago

        Only those who code in the same language as I am can be called developers. Everyone else is just an impostor and their technology doesn’t matter! Real programmers use my language of choice

      • xor@infosec.pub
        37·
        9 months ago

        c# and .net? ewww…

        gimme c, c++, go, rust, ruby, python…
        and umm, no dude, native apps are a lot more powerful than web apps… they are not usurped at all

        there’s more of them, but there’s more scooters than motorcycles…

        • astraeus@programming.dev
          52·
          9 months ago

          Scooters are more efficient, get you where you need to go and cost less to maintain. Your analogy is actually pretty good in that regard.

          • xor@infosec.pub
            211·
            9 months ago

            yeah and they only get you around the neighborhood, any actual distance and a motorcycle is infinitely better…
            but, it figures you’d miss that, since you’re a dumby dumbo mcpoopoo head webdev

            • astraeus@programming.dev
              41·
              9 months ago

              Now you’re throwing ad hominem around. You don’t need to be toxic to communicate your point, web development did at one point have a lot of growing to do and I can admit that there is still plenty of progress to be made. In 2024 however, ignoring the web ecosystem as any type of developer is purely traditionalist elitism.

              • xor@infosec.pub
                14·
                9 months ago

                bruh, this is programming_humor… chill, im sure you’re a fine human being

            • adr1an@programming.devM
              1·
              9 months ago

              Please refrain of using offensive words, specially if you are trying to actually communicate an idea that is by all means demeaning to other people. The community is about humour, keep that in mind ;)

              • xor@infosec.pub
                1·
                9 months ago

                word, “dumb ass” was supposed to be a joke too, but i edited it to be less offensive

    • dohpaz42@lemmy.worldEnglish
      96·
      9 months ago

      To be fair, we do develop stuff. Nothing implies quality, so it’s not like we’re misrepresenting anything. Personally, anyone who calls themselves a software engineer and works with any web-related technology (PHP, JavaScript, etc) are the ones to be shunned.