It’s just annoying that there’s no real leftists to vote for in a country where we let money control elections (cf. Citizens United decision). I might have a “vote” but it doesn’t feel like I get any say when the election is between bourgeois parties.
Obviously not voting and voting for the actual fascists are bad options, but just voting for the liberals isn’t great either. What do y’all think?
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Liberal “democracy” is not the solution, it just pretends to provide the illusion of choice when in reality you will always be voting for the bourgeoisie. The Marxist solution to electoralism is democratic centralism, where one party (the proletariat embodied as a party) controls the power and voting happens in different levels (municipal, provincial, national) and people vote for the people who are in charge, rather than for a party. The purpose of the party must be to serve the people, not some branding or political façade or being a place to allow the bourgeois/fascists to grow larger.
It’s a pretty good con they pulled too. I’m certainly not advocating in favor of the US system.
Out of curiosity, is there any Marxist writing on democratic centralism?
I know I keep going on an on about it. But it’s just that good. Roland Boer’s Socialism with Chinese Characteristics: A Guide for Foreigners goes into Deng’s critique of the earlier approach to democratic centralism in China. It’s chapter 2, iirc. He discusses the contradictions between democracy and centralism and possible solutions to getting the right balance.
voting is so low effort and low impact that I don’t think there’s much to do. The advice I’ve heard for the US is to focus mostly on the downballot candidates that actually have good policies (which their party will never actually support) and in the Federal ones to go for actually left-ish candidates in case your state isn’t a swing one.
But by the time you’re voting, the big elections are already settled in the opinion polls anyway so you’re not making much of a difference by yourself. The real use of elections is to use the lead up to the vote in order to push your politics to people who only actually think about politics once every 4 years. Voting itself is just a religious ritual in the USA.
Yeah, you’re probably right. I guess it was more of a vent post as the 2024 election cycle starts to get US news coverage.
The election coverage lasting 18 months but the voting act itself being a couple of days (and voting day not even being a holiday!) is proof enough of the farce of USA electoralism. Instead of worrying about a vote within 14 months, I recommend you use that time and energy to agitate with people you know about how many promises “union President” Biden broke and to look into actual alternatives like the CPUSA or the PSL. I don’t think you necessarily shouldn’t vote if you have the time, but how you vote depends a lot on where you live, and you shouldn’t worry too much about it for now.
PSL usually runs a candidate so you could vote for them just to raise class consciousness even though they obviously won’t win.
If there are Marxists running, vote for the most popular one.
If a Socialist candidate is running, even a bad one (DSA social-democrats), vote for them, even if it’s obvious they won’t win.
If there isn’t a Socialist running for that position, vote for the Democrat (or don’t vote at all).
Pay special attention to ballot measures and referendums, because even in a system without Socialist candidates, these matter just as much as they otherwise would.
Foul your ballot hard enough that neither party can count it, mostly.
That just sounds like not voting with extra steps
Because it is. You liberals might be able to browbeat folk into wasting their time at the polls, but it won’t earn you my actual vote ‘til democrats stop talking out the side of their collective neck and start actually putting an end to the manifold injustices in this country. And since Hell will freeze over before democrats pop their lips off the lobbyists’ collective titty, I guess that means I get to watch this country crumble in my lifetime. The feedback loops have already started.
Cool. Nice to know your plan here is to do… checks comment … nothing, by the looks of it.
And yours was to throw a tantrum about it because your sports team isn’t getting the support you feel they deserve? Fuckin lol. Your party still cosigns murderous cops, I don’t have a reason to want to see your party or your country perpetuate-- and I don’t think you can conjure one up.
I’m sorry, my sports team? My only plans are to bring my wife out of there over to my side of the border, and maybe sponsor my in-laws to make a trip should they have the courage to make a change. You want something out of the dems? Put a real leftist in charge.
want something out of the dems? Put a real leftist in charge
Imagine looking at the past 200 years and still believing this fairytale nonsense.
Rank idealism tbh.
Put a real leftist in charge.
Even moderate social democrats like Bernie Sanders are not allowed to run for president. For the crime of running on the platform of single payer healthcare system he was ratfucked by DNC. Any “real leftist” does not stand a chance in this system.
When asked what a real leftist is, you’d probably just say Bernie Sanders… Real leftism is when you bomb Yugoslavia it seems. The “international community” counts Bernie as one of its senior members 🤡
‘Real leftism’ is when you foment neo-nazis in Eastern Europe ig lmfao
