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I’m not disagreeing with him but have we seen anyone with the domination and longevity of CR7? Nope. During their golden years they were scoring an incredible amount of goals every season, not seen in history
Messi is maybe the best player of all time, but not Top 10 in influence, not even in his own generation
South African politicians lined up to take pics with Messi when came to South Africa, dude has 2 of the top 3 instagram post of all time and has the second instagram followers without an extremely active poster. Did you see what happened when he moved to the MLS.
He’s done very little to influence the actual game of football though, because the way he plays is not replicable.
Nobody has changed how they play the game because of Messi.
yeah and the next superstar in the social media era will have similar posts.
Besides we are talking about influence in football, not social media influenceBesides we are talking about influence in football, not social media influence
If you are talking about influence only in football then there’s no way he is not even top 10 in influence.
Pele is the most influential player ever. It’s not even close. He made the game truly global. Ffs they had ceasefires during wars to watch him play. Cruyff is the next because of play and managing. Then it’s Messi.
All that while black and born in a country where there were people who had been enslaved still alive when he won his first world cup.
This is great and enlightening information and I’m glad this was upvoted by almost 1000 people already.
Do upvote bots just instantly upvote anything that has Messi in the title? There was a post last week that was top where they totally mispelled his first name.
Well this is an absolute shit post.
Aye.
Wouldn’t that make him the least influential?
The most entertaining and pleasing to watch sure
but most influential? what did he influence lol how to make half a team look like fools? nobody does that but him nobody else does that like messi does
Higuita is the reason keepers play with their feet nowadays, much more than Neuer. The rule that prohibits a gk from grabbing the ball from a back pass was created thanks to him.
Best player - Messi Most influential - Cruyff
Best player: Pelé, Most influential: Pelé
Messi challenged his throne, and that’s legendary by itself
Pele is undoubtedly one of the greatest but he’s more of a pioneer because he did everything before anyone else, but for me, Messi edges it. As for influence, Cruyff literally changed the way football is played, so I think it’s fair to call him the most influential.
We can’t compare players due to era differences, but we can compare careers - Imagine watching Messi get his third World Cup title now instead of his first. That’s why Pelé will edge it for me until someone has a career like Messi’s and Pelé’s club career coupled with total dominance at the national team level too.
If no one has done what Messi has done then has he influenced the game at all?
Same as why The Beatles is considered one of the most influential bands despite no one sounds like them nowadays
Tame Impala would like a word.
The Kinks, Beach Boys, Zombies, The Who, and I could go on.
If you’re saying no one sounds like a band from the 60s in the 2020s then yeah that’s true lol.
The Kinks, Beach Boys, Zombies, The Who, and I could go on.
None of those bands really sound like The Beatles beyond a couple of songs maybe. They all have that 60s sound though so maybe that’s what you’re referring to.
That’s what I was gonna say.
How has Messi been influential to the game when nobody can replicate the way he plays? Influential players are ones who start doing something new that everybody starts copying.
If most forwards strolled around the pitch like Messi for 80 of the 90 minutes they’d contribute absolutely nothing to the game. Messi hasn’t influenced anyone to change the way they play because it wouldn’t work if they did.
I always thought the same thing, but then again there are different ways to be influential.
I think it could be said he got more people into football - they wanted to learn to dribble, or score, or pass, or make plays like Messi. It doesn’t mean they would do it the same way or to the same level, but it made people strive.
Also, in this day and age of football Adonisis, he shows that you can be a super start without the body of a god or oozing charisma or attitude.
I take it as “most influential single player on outcomes/dominance of teams”. He is the player that can single handedly exert the most influence on a game. Certainly true in the modern era and if you consider his longevity it’s hard to argue against the same for all time.
I wonder which player in history has made the highest number of people actually change the way they play.
Ronaldo making everyone kick through the valve?
Roberto Carlos convincing a generation of full backs to stop defending?
Vinnie Jones making droves of sunday league players think “midfield hardman” is a legit position?
What about Pele and inspiring joga bonito?
exactly, compare Messi’s brilliance to that of Cruyff or Beckenbauer who changed the way the game is played with new tactics and positions
This calls for Cruijff’s explanation of the Diamond in a Dutch talkshow.
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I was gonna say this, Messi is the best to ever play the game but Beckham was WAY more influential or other players have inspired kids more to be / play like them. Messi is almost uncopyable (if that even is a word).
No other player can walk around 80 minutes of the game and still have the most goals/assists/dribbles.
that’s true I give a good example when cr was at Manu I started watching him I was able to do his tricks yeah I know I’m nobody but I was still doing his tricks when I saw Messi I immediately thought of an amazing player with huge skills that can’t be copied you just keep watching him you can’t copy his talent not possible that’s the main reason why some players choose hard work over talent particularly if you are a striker you usually go for ronaldo but overall you have good skilled players like ronaldo brazil ronaldo zidane cryuff Ronaldinho etc but there are 3 big names above them MARADONA MESSI PELE it’s even crime to compare messi to c ronaldo.
everyone was expecting Messi to win the world cup why? to be the best well he did but no one was expecting Ronaldo to win the world cup why?
messi’s critics were always the same he didn’t the world cup so he isn’t a good player I never seen such a comment for ronaldo why Messi had to win the world cup over the years? cause Maradona won it? Messi always had this burden of success of Maradona once Messi won the world cup people started doubting the value of world cup and putting CL ahead of WC lol that can’t be serious
you know who won the world cup in 2006 but you don’t know the winner of CL in 2006 so easy
Ever seen how during a direct free kick, one player lays down right at the back of the feet of the player wall?
Guess who forced that…
Deep
damn.
Not all that deep though, You don’t need to create carbon copies of yourselves to revolutionize the game.
Messi has pushed the boundaries of how impactful a player can strive to be.
You genuinely think elite trainers all around the world have not studied every strength and style of Messi to train the future generation of dribble greats ?
You alright mate?
Real eyes realize real lies
I never looked at it that way be4
Hot take.
Cheers Geoff!
Disagree, Messi is GOATy, but he isn’t the most influential player in the history of football. That is because there wasn’t a way of playing in that role prior to Messi and post Messi. Maradona did set the same precedent for the small attackers many years before.
R9 is more influential than Messi for example. There was a prior to R9 era where strikers played in one manner. And after R9 era where strikers played differently.
Ibra for example is more influential for the tall/big striker position than Messi for his position. Before Ibra the big CF were asked to keep the ball, fight the defenders and be good at the box. After Ibra, these strikers are asked to do way more, drop deep, progress the ball, set the tempo, be more technically able and so on. Haaland is asked to hold himself to a higher standard because of standards Ibra set to that category for example.
Baresi is also more influential for the CB position, considering his height.
The use of the word “INFLUENTIAL” is used in a wrong manner.
In conclusion, Cheers Geoff
why is this so downvoted? He’s the goat but absolutely not the most influential, they’re two completely different things.
It’s hard to define what “influential” means in this context. I kind of agree that Messi didn’t do anything not seen before, he just did a lot of already existing things, better than anyone and at an incredible speed, during 10+ years.
That said, one could argue that Messi was very influential in their rivals. All their rival coaches spent Messi’s career trying to figure out how to stop him and there was a lot of evolution in tactics around that, with some like Simeone and Mourinho basically building their whole tactics around the premise of stopping Messi first, then everything else.
About your first paragraph, i 100% agree. I think he was extremely influential towards coaches on how to defend him. Even IF, i think that we have seen similar patterns before with Maradona or R9. Something that you mentioned.
But, THE MOST ONE?! Hard pass for me genuinely.
sadly for most r/soccer users all logic is lost when messi is mentioned
Yeah clearly you guys are in the intelligent group of this sub. Don’t look down on us too hard big brains.
First of all, not talking with absolutes makes you more big brain.
Dude, saying this as someone who loves him and think that he rightfully deserved the Golden Ball. But this statment is absolute bonkers. In every way you look at this, he wasn’t THE MOST influential player.
it’s crazy how every time a coach or figure praises him or ronaldo you have fanboys in the comment trying to downvote everyone into oblivion who make a good argument/case
Nuh uh messi better
Must be so easy being a sports journalist, just ask everyone about Messi/Ronaldo all the time, and get easy clicks.
I was just asking myself how these posts still make it to the top of this sub each time. Does anyone still find it interesting who people think is better of the two?
Disculpame si te rompí la cola, así es el periodismo champagne
That’s also a method for getting upvotes here - find a news story where they asked some schmuck about who the GOAT is, post it here and get like 3K upvotes guaranteed.
Every nonsensical Pep quote gets like 2k upvotes. On the most recent one, nearly all the comments were “Why is this upvoted? So tired of hearing from him”
There’s a load of casuals who just want to read the same crap again and again and again, they don’t necessarily comment but they do upvote.
Can’t wait to exchange all my upvotes for cash one day.
You missed out on the opportunity to really sell your account when they got rid of awards.
I used to work for a sports media page and half of my job was just refreshing this subreddit to source quotes about Messi and Ronaldo to post on Twitter/Instagram. Was always the top-performing content by a mile.
Hey guys I know a lawyer let’s band together to file a class action and get back our hard-earned pay!
used to work for a sports newspaper and same.
100% sportsbible
They got relatively huge from reposting this subreddit
I fucking knew it
You’re internet royalty mate.
it’s hardly a secret at this point with how many articles reference reddit and twitter comments
I even got £50 for a photo of mine the Daily Mail stole off Reddit
Was it paid out automatically or did you have to hound them for it?
The latter, they didn’t ask me for permission, just stole it
Lmao, idek if youre baiting or if its actually true
Genuinely insane this shite is allowed on r/soccer considering what gets removed
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I actually play that game. Its FM but free.
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