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My idea is that if you get booked for dissent you have to do 100 push ups and can only return to the field once they are done.
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Not really a fan of only the captain can talk to the ref, feels so childish. Just punish dissent
Playing the game at a very low level (but in the official football pyramid in England, we’ve had sin bins for dissent for years.
It works great at our level, and I’m interested to see how it translates to professional football.
I don’t think anyone really wants to see someone sent off for dissent, this gives the referee a softer option for enforcement.
Hell I think sin bins for other infractions would actually help football. One of the biggest problems with the game right now is refs being afraid to make a big call. Give us a sin bin between yellow and red and suddenly many of those “big calls” become easier for a ref to make. They aren’t affecting an entire game, they are rightfully punishing someone for 5-10 minutes.
Imagine how city would have to cope if a tactical foul+yellow also carried a 5-minute sin bin
I mean they don’t get yellows now, so they wouldn’t change.
It also actually immediately punishes the team making the infraction. Right now, the only downside to a first yellow card in the 88th minute is a potential for a suspension later down the road. It doesn’t actively hurt your team during that game unless you do something else in the next 5 minutes. Now players committing dissent would actively be hurting their team and players would be incentivized to self police their teammates rather than further the pile on knowing the ref won’t book 5 players at once.
I play rink hockey at a decent level, and used to play football, where cards go yellow, blue then red, with yellow and red working as expected, and blue being a 2min sinbin (quicker game than football, more often than not resulting in opposition scoring). Works brilliant
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upgrade yellows to sinbins
10 minutes would be too long.
5 for the first offence (maybe second team offence is longer)
It’s a terrible idea. Deal with dissent with yellow or red cards. I know some people push for sin bins in football but the game will be awful. Teams down to 10 will just time waste and play act until the 10 minutes is up.
Better that time wasting the whole game if a player gets sent off
Sin bins are a terrible idea for football, teams would just do whatever they can to waste 10 minutes
Football’s lawmakers are also considering adopting rugby’s rule where only the captain can approach the referee.
Good! The crowding that happens to refs is embarrassing and does nothing positive for the game.
A couple of minutes sin bin for various offences is a good idea.
I know it won’t happen but a pro rata fine (let’s say 20% of their net weekly wage) for dissent would do wonders, actually hurting players wallets has a far better likelihood of reducing bad behaviours than a yellow card.
Goalkeeper captains will disappear if they introduce this change.
Wish I could have a job like these guys from IFAB or FIFA
YAY! Ref here: that’s great news. PLEASE! Plus a rule that the coach can ONLY speak to the 4th official; any comments to/at/about the CR and ARs is automatic YC. That’ll shut them up quick and make them focus on coaching their team. #OnlyLosersBlameTheRef
I just think this is so simple. You don’t need sin bins.
Allow only the captain to approach the ref and anyone else who does so gets a yellow. You stick to that the first gameweek and it instantly stops it. Done. Problem literally sorted straight away.
Have them release a statement before the weekend that says these players will receive yellows and they fully back the refs to do so, making it clear to everyone so there’s no complaints and taking some pressure off of the refs.
If you don’t limit it to captains then the issue becomes what does a ref deem dissent Vs normal behaviour, and that’s caused the shitshow we are in now.
There’s just no need to complicate things and I don’t know why they haven’t sorted it yet.
If we’re going to import practices from other sports, then I would suggest a tennis-style three appeals system.
Therefore, when a ref yellow cards a player because an opponent tripped themselves up, this can be immediately rescinded (see also recent Eze yellow).
Manager’s/coach’s challenge. First one is free, right or wrong. Second one if wrong, manager gets a yellow card. If they eventually do the sin bin/player, a player on the pitch is chosen to serve the 2/4/5/10 minute penalty (but the cards do not go against the player’s record, only the manager).
You mean for VAR checks yeah?