My primary argument is that they post hateful content and covid conspiracies and it is irresponsible to platform this by including it in our federation. Secondly we already got rid of lemmygrad. Thirdly, there’s little to be lost in the defederation given the type of stuff being posted over there. Do as thou wilt

Aye and nays pls

Edit: putting the screencaps I posted below here for clarity

I should probably put a content warning so

CW: homophobia, transphobia, and just being a shithead.

Edit 2: let’s try not to downvote people just saying nay. Unless they are making bad faith arguments we should respect their opinions even if we disagree.

Edit 3: Imma be real with y’all, this has been a real shitshow. We gotta work out some kinda single voting infrastructure because the ayes and Nays isn’t efficient at all.

  • goat@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    26·
    1 year ago

    I’m also defending you.

    It’s called neutrality, try it sometime. It’ll expand your horizons. And no, you’re not being true to the spirit of Agora. I’m not a member of EH, nor am I a bigot, so don’t treat me like one.

    • chalkman@sh.itjust.worksOPEnglish
      41·
      1 year ago

      We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented. Sometimes we must interfere. When human lives are endangered, when human dignity is in jeopardy, national borders and sensitivities become irrelevant. Wherever men or women are persecuted because of their race, religion, or political views, that place must—at that moment—become the center of the universe

      • goat@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        36·
        1 year ago

        Ah, Elie Wiesel’s speech on Israel and WW2.

        Perhaps you should post the rest of the quote, hm?

        There is so much injustice and suffering crying out for our attention: victims of hunger, of racism, and political persecution, writers and poets, prisoners in so many lands governed by the Left and by the Right. Human rights are being violated on every continent. More people are oppressed than free. And then, too, there are the Palestinians to whose plight I am sensitive but whose methods I deplore. Violence and terrorism are not the answer. Something must be done about their suffering, and soon. I trust Israel, for I have faith in the Jewish people. Let Israel be given a chance, let hatred and danger be removed from her horizons, and there will be peace in and around the Holy Land.

        As long as one dissident is in prison, our freedom will not be true. As long as one child is hungry, our lives will be filled with anguish and shame. What all these victims need above all is to know that they are not alone; that we are not forgetting them, that when their voices are stifled we shall lend them ours, that while their freedom depends on ours, the quality of our freedom depends on theirs.

        Embarrassing.

          • goat@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            25·
            1 year ago

            I think that’s your problem here. You’re operating on “gotchas”. That’s not how this thing works.

            You have your piece, and I have mine, but we can share and talk about them equally. Once you’re willing to be equal, I can explain to you why Elie Wiesel may not be the best person to quote.

            • chalkman@sh.itjust.worksOPEnglish
              42·
              1 year ago

              Frankly I have no real interest in whatever mental gymnastics you have to go through to convince yourself that holocaust survivor and human rights activist Elie Weisel would be in favor of an internet server of Trump supporters and bigots. If I had to guess though, you saw him say that there were human rights violations on the right and left and think that somehow applies here.

              • goat@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
                34·
                1 year ago

                I don’t use left or right, I think such things cause harm in the long run.

                You don’t need to guess either. You can just ask me or look it up yourself.

                • chalkman@sh.itjust.worksOPEnglish
                  31·
                  1 year ago

                  I don’t really care what your reasoning is. I can see nothing in your quote contradicting my message about the limits of neutrality.