• darkcalling@lemmygrad.ml
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    1. You have to start from somewhere. In the north they border Russia which is strong and hostile to them using it for destabilization and extremism purposes. DPRK border is also out. Mongolia is a possibility but I’m guessing they just haven’t managed to do anything there, maybe the soil simply isn’t fertile for extremism and color revolutions. The best place adjacent to regions they’ve long been fomenting extremism, separatism, terrorism in is via Xinjiang for that reason of geography alone. Fact is after Afghanistan which many IMO rightly see as a move to get closer to China for destabilization operations (though I do think some neo-cons at the outset genuinely thought they could create a stable westernized puppet there to blunt China and provide a nice staging ground for the US military in a war against China).

    2. Islamic extremism is a tool they’ve used since AT LEAST the 80s against the Soviets in Afghanistan and to great success, many planners in the west I think see that moment as a big turn-around, a win at last off the back of a long streak of losses for the west in proxy conflicts like Vietnam, Korea, etc. Regions of China without Muslims wouldn’t be vulnerable to that type of extremism. I do see some history there of them trying to rile up Christians and using missionaries as they always have but China cracked down on that quickly and to my knowledge there aren’t any regions that specifically have a very large Christian minority or majority population and there’s not an ethnic angle there to work along-side that either.

    3. Belt and road goes through Xinjiang. You destabilize that you destabilize any hope of land power and transit except via going around the very, very, very long way through the north of China, through the length of Russia, etc and at that point Russia is holding all the cards not China which isn’t exactly to the liking of China and also at most allows it access to Europe not to the rest of Asia, to west Asia, etc.

    4. In one of the most influential public policy documents ever released called The Grand Chessboard by Zbigniew Brzezinski (the father of the Morning Joe co-host but really an important executive/state dept imperialist ghoul in his own right) notes the imperative for the US to establish and manipulate a strategic “triangle of control” that exists in west Asia/the middle east. That via this larger region encompassing multiple countries lies the possibility which must not be allowed to come to pass of land power that would completely neutralize US/NATO naval dominance and might. Specifically a desire to prevent uniting economically in trade the East (Asia), the North (Russia), Europe, and Africa. The crossroads human trade between all of these, of power, of military movements is the middle east. Control that or at least deny it to your enemies, keep it so unstable as to be impossible to route trade through, to have military alliances through and you keep these disparate powers of Russia, China and Asia, Africa, and Europe the EU from uniting into a bloc whose power would crush the US and exclude it, leave it an ocean or two away isolated and losing power and relevance. So anything that threatens to export prosperity, trade, stability and peace to that region is a threat to the US strategy.

    5. A distraction and whitewashing of their own past. After Bush the US rightly became widely hated in the middle east by peoples there-of for all their invasions, violence, etc, etc. They need to re-frame themselves as bad in the past, good now versus China being framed as the bad one now to direct the hatred of those peoples against them. This is more of a bonus than an imperative compared to all the much stronger forces but the US does maintain dominance via very strong propaganda and messaging that sells even to its enemies that they are good people, that you should aspire to be like them, etc.

    IMO that’s also why Tibet was targeted, it was fertile and they did want to help the former slave-owners get their slaves back and establish a loyal puppet and would regardless of who ran China or how but it was also in China’s west and a way of starting to cut them off, to isolate them, to encircle them and then turn up the heat. And it was of course fertile ground because of the existence of a sizeable ethnic group that’s different from most eastern Chinese ethnic groups. The western plan has always been to encircle, isolate, sanction, and turn up the heat and pressure until a major power cracks. It was their thinking against the USSR, against Russia, etc. They have this containment mentality and China knows this which is why fostering trade routes has been an imperative because they’re rightly desperate not to let the US do this as it could allow great economic pain being inflicted on the Chinese people which could be enough to bring down the CPC as despite the fact Chinese citizens get lessons in Marxism in school, they exist and since opening up have exposure to a capitalist global culture dominated by the US.

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    Because it wants to and China will let it. Oh we just want to be nice little boys that don’t interfere in politics. Ok, good luck with that when those ETIM extremists come your way.

    Edit: sanction turkey, like what good is economic power if you aren’t even going to fucking wield it.

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      I think the Chinese government is relatively hesitant to wield economic power. Using it and throwing their weight around is a real Pandora’s Box type of moment with a number of possible reactions, effects and consequences.

      China has spent decades developing up power and influence and it’s economy and technologically, and while countries across the world definitely use economic pressure, I think there is a risk that if China were to openly and aggressively use more economic pressure, especially to achieve a certain purpose, even if the context is way different and overall for the greater good, it could turn millions and millions of people against China or become more cynical or distrustful, since people could say “China is just as bad as the U.S. or Britain or Israel!”

      It’s completely stupid and ridiculous and unfair double standards and bullshit but it makes some sense.

      And given that China is still courting capitalists and probably will for decades to come, and is doing an excellent job of that and still being a firmly socialist country, the government may be afraid to rock the boat too much and scare off investors.

      It can be argued that people who are racist against China or who are distrustful will not like that no matter what, but people who are sympathetic or on the fence could be swayed negatively. I think it would depend on the specific context and outcomes that would have to be weighed for the government to want to use it’s economic pressure.

      Not to say that they shouldn’t do nothing, and alot of times in life you have to take bold risks, but regardless.

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        People already say China is as bad as the US or Britain. They invented a nonexistent genocide out of thin air and it somehow stuck.

        What i recently heard, and I hope it isn’t true is China doesn’t even show the horrors of Gaza in its media. Like what a golden opportunity to bolster the anticomprador elements and essentially show the world 24/7 the horrors of Gaza. Especially since Israel is one of the two countries that recognizes the “genocide”. Like come on, take the gloves off.

        Their foreign policy is trash, and I am saying this as someone that has tremendous respect for what they have accomplished. I thought I was just saying this out of anger at recent events, but I actually want them to save themselves while they help the downtrodden also. A farmer can’t negotiate with locusts, imperialists are locust.

        Edit: if israel says China is doing a genocide of Muslims, cut business ties and public state it’s because they are doing a genocide in Gaza. Make a giant show of it. Name a few streets after sinwar or haniyeh or nasrallah while at it.

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      I understand China’s non-intervention policy, but I still find it frustrating that they refuse to weild any of the power they hold in many cases.

      I usually just use that frustration as motivation to continue agitating in the core, as it’s our fault that these crises are happening in the first place.

      Though I won’t say that I’m not the slightest bit annoyed that China hasn’t sanctioned Israel as we’ve been attempting to pressure our university into divestment.

      I’ve definitely expressed on multiple occasions, when exasperated by university administrators, “what’s the point of challenging American Hedgomony when every Palestinian will be slaughtered before you do anything.”

      Usually I just go back to focusing on whatever is our next action because I know I’ve got no control over how the PRC operates so dwelling on hypothetical is pointless.

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        Same, it’s just my frustration with the PRC. I don’t have an ounce of influence but playing chess doesn’t matter if your opponent just flips the table over and beats the shit out of the chess master. They are literally advertising that they are going to fuck up China and break it apart. Like wtf does it take to know when someone will never be your friend.

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    Strategic location in Central Asia, general imperial fuckery. same reason they illegally invaded and occupied Afghanistan for 20 years (although tbf I don’t know what poppy production is like in Xinjiang)

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      The reason they invaded Afghanistan is so they could get to Xinjiang. Afghanistan was supposed to be the launching platform for a jihadist invasion of western China, but unlike the ISIS-AlQaeda scum they created in the Middle East to take down anti-imperialist governments, the Taliban wouldn’t and aren’t playing along in the way they were supposed to. The real prize they are after is not some poppies or even the mineral wealth of Afghanistan, it’s the dismantling of China and cutting what is left off from Europe to prevent Eurasian economic integration.

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      (although tbf I don’t know what poppy production is like in Xinjiang)

      Historically it was hotbed of opium trade, but it got rooted out in the 50’s during the anti-drug campaigns in PRC. Heroin trade really does follow CIA meddling, since after Talibs rooted it out in Afghanistan it moved to Myanmar. So if US would succeed in separating Xinjiang from China undoubtedly it would become yet another drughole country.

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    Jingjing is great! I remember first seeing her on r/sino and genZedong back when! If any users want a better idea of xinjiang (from news to culture), be sure to check her out. She’s a wonderful reporter!