• blobjim [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    2 days ago

    I really wish a country like China would launch a globally aimed social media site that has good multilingual support and allows anyone to sign up. Might just be a disaster or never take off, but it’s so lame to just switch between American operated social media sites.

    Telegram is the only non-US based one I know of. At least the only big one known for not being American.

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      i’ve been saying this for a while. i’d like to be on a site that shelters me from CIA and Israeli propaganda

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      The telegram dude got arrested on some insane/made up bullshit in France recently

      I always assumed they worked with US intel- but apparently maybe not? Or not enough.

      Safe to assume it’s compromised now for sure though…

      I like the idea of China if they moderate it how TikTok was done before the last year. Basically wild west, but you can block right wing shit (or push it from your algo).

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        I doubt it was made up. Maybe exaggerated or it was even an issue because he didn’t comply but that was it. Telegram was absolutely used over other messenger apps for crime related stuff

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          Sure

          And that isn’t (shouldn’t) be on him

          People use the internet and encryption, etc. to distribute CP. Doesn’t (shouldn’t) make creators of tools and services liable for the bad actions of end users.

          My meaning of “made up” was not the definition like “totally imaginary. Fake.” It was “unfair, unjust, overreaching.” Maybe I should’ve used those words instead. Imprecise wording on my part.

          AP News

          Pavel Durov, the founder and CEO of the messaging app Telegram, was arrested in Paris over the weekend over allegations that his platform is being used for illicit activity including drug trafficking and the distribution of child sexual abuse images.

          Law enforcement agencies should be arresting the people doing those things (well, drugs… I don’t give a shit for the most part), not the guy who created the platform. It’s all a further expansion of a worldwide war on anonymity and encryption online. They always attack it under the guise of “protecting kids” and whatever else making it nearly impossible to argue that yes, distributing CP is bad… no shit. But these platforms are incredibly important for a million reasons. If the FBI wants to catch child abusers I’d advise them to go to any police department in America and they’ll find a nest of child and women abusers.

          I’d also propose, without evidence, him being Russian and Europe’s current frothing Russophobia played a part in his arrest. But that’s obviously speculation.

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            Law enforcement agencies should be arresting the people doing those things

            The problem here is that Durov is not helping them arrest these people. The whole issue started by him not complying with law enforcement requests.

            I understand, and agree, that CP is being used as a boogeyman to manufacture consent for anti-encryption and anti-privacy laws. However, I think it’s also unreasonable to allow a platform at the scope of telegram to get away with no issues because of what essentially boils down to “muh freedoms”.

            I wouldn’t support a total encryption ban, or some similar comically idiotic policy. But the whole thing with telegram also irks me. At least force the people hiding something shady to jump through actual hoops instead of just downloading a glorified server-client app.

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              I’m going to assume you mean basically just CP for the something shady part in your final comment. Because the government and many people in many countries would call this conversation shady. They’d call unionization shady. Some might call Israel supporters doxxing anti-genocide protesters shady (I agree on that one). And of course I hope we all call the CP servers shady.

              My only issue with all of this is how do you force right-wing, neoliberal, progressively more and more fascistic countries like the US, FR, UK, GE, etc. to ONLY target CP servers and never purposely target the (to sweep broadly here) “political severs.” If it could be done that the genocidal hogs and CP hoarders get roped in- fantastic. But why the hell would France or the US bother with the first (or the latter, to be honest)? They’d surely be happy to dig into the asses of all those unionizing people though because “domestic terrorism! Sabotage!” or whatever other BS they can milk.

              I guess my issue is I just look to how laws in “the west” have historically been applied against “shady” individuals. This stuff always disproportionately ends up being used against the left. That’s why for practical reasons I feel like I have to support (actual) free speech because if there are laws that can in any sort of feasible way be used to restrict the left, then they will be. It’s practically an inevitability when dealing with liberals and their “both sidesing.” Some workers discussing fucking up their anti-union boss’s machinery is seen the same as Nazis planning to mass murder people… actually they probably think it’s worse somehow to do sabotage.

              So, that’s my incomplete thoughts on that stuff

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                I was referring to criminal activities with the shady stuff. Thankfully I haven’t come across cp on telegram, but I know for a fact that there’s drug deals and refund services there. I wouldn’t be surprised if it also helped human trafficking cases.

                I don’t care about people buying drugs or scamming amazon, but at the same time I can’t support telegram helping all these malicious actors (whether its petty crime, cp, neonazis, etc) just because it can also be useful to leftists. Its scale and easy of use has something offputting, at least to me. We should also remember that it’s not some tool that was gifted to the left, it’s just an app made by a capitalist that acquired French citizenship.

                My thoughts are also incomplete because taken to the extreme you just have to ban all encryption, which is something I’m against, so I don’t really know what can really be done.

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    I don’t really understand why people would choose bluesky over mastodon.

    But then again I don’t really understand the appeal of reading people’s shower thoughts

    edit: added a word

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      i think they fucked up the algorithm at the start. they had like 100 million people join on the first weekend after launch and were just spamming people with the same “influencers” you get on instagram which is really not what people were looking for from threads, i think. Also search was broken or non-existent? Idk. I think a lot of people just saw it sucked in the first week and never went back.

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      I don’t think the type of people who were repulsed by Elon’s acquisition of Twitter were by any means the sort of people who would find refuge on Threads. These people all already have Facebook accounts in addition to their LinkedIn accounts and know how much of a black hole that place is.

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        find refuge on Threads.

        I mean Threads has been shit from the very beginning and it’s never gotten better even though Zuck had every advantage. It’s like when Myspace could have become a social media juggernaut but it went into the toilet because it was entirely mismanaged and - oddly enough - that helped Facebook to quickly become a behemoth.

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          I just want some good open source stuff that’s moderated by real humans, this shit isn’t really that computationally intensive to run at moderate scale. All the tech bros are just so over leveraged on capturing every modicum of data on their users that it’s bloated.

          Basically anyone could run a decently sized forum on a consumer PC for their immediate area without issue, but someone has to keep AWS alive or the American economy collapses…

          inshallah-script

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    1 day ago

    threads is only growing because they stopped letting you see posts without installing the app lmao

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      Yeah I go on it a lot and also shitpost on their developer discord. They’re good people, some of the devs come from secure scuttlebutt which was a truly anarchist social network design wise (incredibly based). But it was ahead of its time.