What about moderation or controls over the directory? I don’t want to host a stream and be published next to nazis. Is anyone keeping them out? I do see a sort of lip-service “no tolerance” statement with no details about what fits that criteria and no claims of active moderation; without those two things it’s toothless and the whole place is at risk of nazi bar syndrome.
Demanding moderation means demanding an authority makes decisions. Who is that authority? American (neo)liberals? French nationalists? Saudi government? Maybe the owners are beholden to outside authorities like banks and advertisers?
Twitch, X, and Reddit becoming shitholes is an inevitable feature of capitalism and cancel culture. This thought process you have will always result in the oppression of minorities and minority opinions, and a push to the lowest common denominator; in other words, the least offensive, milquetoast, worthless experience people will suffer through but still come back to.
I didn’t say I wanted capitalism and American neoliberals, I said I wanted moderation or I won’t put my identity and work and face next to people who want me dead. The app you’re on, the community you’re posting this comment in have moderation. Do you think the mods who receive reports about this thread are the Saudi government?
Cancel culture isn’t real, grow up. The people who made the term up want you to demand that all conversations be treated equally, that all viewpoints should be able to shout down all other viewpoints until the internet is full of trash and we’re all completely isolated. That’s how fascism works: piss and shit into the discourse until nobody wants it any more. That is why X is becoming trash: because the person who owns it made it his first priority to start shitting into every progressive conversation until none of them wanted to be there any more. Taking away the ability to block and deplatform people SUPPRESSES minority voices, because that environment only rewards whoever shouts the loudest, and if you have a majority on the platform, you are shouting the loudest.
Everywhere is “beholden” to some person or organization that made the place and controls it. The stream directory of this app is already beholden to the people who put it up; their lip-service code of conduct suggests they don’t want to platform nazis. The only thing I’m complaining about is that they aren’t taking any concrete steps to ensure they’re kept out.
I agree there should be moderation, but I don’t think there should be a moderator. You should, like Lemmy, be able to join an instance and that instance be able to moderate (or start your own instance). Anything else creates one voice that decides what’s acceptable, and gives you no option except to leave when that doesn’t match your views. You may agree with them at first, but it’s only a matter of time until you don’t.
I don’t know how this service works, but I would hope (and assume) each instance gets to choose if they federated with other instances.
I’m ambivalent about this in some ways but what you’re suggesting is compatible with what I would ask from them. If they’re going to have a central directory, moderate that directory: that’s one instance. Let others put up their own directories and moderate those; those are just additional instances. If the tech can be deployed to multiple instances, then it’s federated by default.
Yeah, this is basically what I was getting at. Like your Lemmy homepage, it should be managed by your instance, not a central power. Even if they’re perfect for you at first, it creates a thing that can be taken over or purchased without an alternative. Having a federated option makes it so you can find an instance you like or just spin up your own.
The downside of free speech is having to endure the opinion of idiots, be it nazis or religous asshats or whatever bullshit people come up with.
It’s not that you solve a problem by shutting it up either. It just eludes your direct attention.
But it still is a very important thing that always slowly dies in favour of the majority’s political flavour-of-the-month.
Noone cares as long as they’re part of the majority up until they suddenly aren’t. Then the flaws of censorship emerge.
What about moderation or controls over the directory? I don’t want to host a stream and be published next to nazis. Is anyone keeping them out? I do see a sort of lip-service “no tolerance” statement with no details about what fits that criteria and no claims of active moderation; without those two things it’s toothless and the whole place is at risk of nazi bar syndrome.
Demanding moderation means demanding an authority makes decisions. Who is that authority? American (neo)liberals? French nationalists? Saudi government? Maybe the owners are beholden to outside authorities like banks and advertisers?
Twitch, X, and Reddit becoming shitholes is an inevitable feature of capitalism and cancel culture. This thought process you have will always result in the oppression of minorities and minority opinions, and a push to the lowest common denominator; in other words, the least offensive, milquetoast, worthless experience people will suffer through but still come back to.
I didn’t say I wanted capitalism and American neoliberals, I said I wanted moderation or I won’t put my identity and work and face next to people who want me dead. The app you’re on, the community you’re posting this comment in have moderation. Do you think the mods who receive reports about this thread are the Saudi government?
Cancel culture isn’t real, grow up. The people who made the term up want you to demand that all conversations be treated equally, that all viewpoints should be able to shout down all other viewpoints until the internet is full of trash and we’re all completely isolated. That’s how fascism works: piss and shit into the discourse until nobody wants it any more. That is why X is becoming trash: because the person who owns it made it his first priority to start shitting into every progressive conversation until none of them wanted to be there any more. Taking away the ability to block and deplatform people SUPPRESSES minority voices, because that environment only rewards whoever shouts the loudest, and if you have a majority on the platform, you are shouting the loudest.
Everywhere is “beholden” to some person or organization that made the place and controls it. The stream directory of this app is already beholden to the people who put it up; their lip-service code of conduct suggests they don’t want to platform nazis. The only thing I’m complaining about is that they aren’t taking any concrete steps to ensure they’re kept out.
I agree there should be moderation, but I don’t think there should be a moderator. You should, like Lemmy, be able to join an instance and that instance be able to moderate (or start your own instance). Anything else creates one voice that decides what’s acceptable, and gives you no option except to leave when that doesn’t match your views. You may agree with them at first, but it’s only a matter of time until you don’t.
I don’t know how this service works, but I would hope (and assume) each instance gets to choose if they federated with other instances.
I’m ambivalent about this in some ways but what you’re suggesting is compatible with what I would ask from them. If they’re going to have a central directory, moderate that directory: that’s one instance. Let others put up their own directories and moderate those; those are just additional instances. If the tech can be deployed to multiple instances, then it’s federated by default.
Yeah, this is basically what I was getting at. Like your Lemmy homepage, it should be managed by your instance, not a central power. Even if they’re perfect for you at first, it creates a thing that can be taken over or purchased without an alternative. Having a federated option makes it so you can find an instance you like or just spin up your own.
The downside of free speech is having to endure the opinion of idiots, be it nazis or religous asshats or whatever bullshit people come up with. It’s not that you solve a problem by shutting it up either. It just eludes your direct attention.
But it still is a very important thing that always slowly dies in favour of the majority’s political flavour-of-the-month. Noone cares as long as they’re part of the majority up until they suddenly aren’t. Then the flaws of censorship emerge.