This is the stupidest fucking thing a union could do because it’s going to cause internal conflict and deter people from wanting to work with teamsters. It could even deter people from joining it.
I wouldn’t want to join a union if I knew 60% of the membership were fucking tories.
Yeah, the labor standards that existed in the pre 2000s are vastly different to how divided and diverse labor is today. There is a clear divide in labor between what one would see as “youth labor” not highschoolers but younger people working in non traditional labor settings (Starbucks, Whole Foods, Amazon, etc), these individuals are most commonly politically opposed to the usual political leanings of “older insular labor” these are the old unions filled with mainly male workers (commonly older and conservative) who have at best “traditional democratic” values and at worst are chuds in everything but name. The Teamsters, though they may have younger members, are a traditionally male and older worker union that sadly has a lot of trappings preserved from the 1960s-70s with no clear coherent understanding or unwillingness to understand historically what has been done to labor unions over the last four decades (or they just don’t give a shit).
I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt for thinking of a plan to have a successful revolution in America, but winning over the teamsters to help form a vanguard party (especially on the ideas of internationalism) to me feels as fantastical as a communist winning the presidency and dismantling the empire from the inside.
Yes. Communism doesn’t mean exploitation no longer exists, it just means you seek to reduce it as much as possible. Inequality will always exists, and it can be as local as your manager forcing you to work uncompensated overtime without knowledge or consent from the party or government. You can have all the communist laws and theories, but you still need people to make sure those laws and theories are understood and practiced. Shitty management will exist regardless of ideology because not everyone is cut out for it.
recently quit my union because it was sending money directly to labour (UK) and they advocated for a 3.6% wage increase this year.
I quit and explained my rents going up by 12%, my bills by more and that they should be ashamed for accepting the lies labour told them that there ‘is simply not any money’
The other union that represents my interests just voted to strike instead, guess where im going
Really shouldn’t have posted results, or polled at all. That information is only likely to make workers less likely to join, whether it leans one way or another it’s likely to make the other side less likely to join. I would not join a union that is full of tories, full stop, I know most well-meaning libs that support labour wouldn’t either. But I also know that tories wouldn’t join a union if they knew it was like all lefties or whatever.
It’s just not a good way to organise. It’s publishing information that you know will cause division.
This is the stupidest fucking thing a union could do because it’s going to cause internal conflict and deter people from wanting to work with teamsters. It could even deter people from joining it.
I wouldn’t want to join a union if I knew 60% of the membership were fucking tories.
The Maoist Communist Union is like “if we just organize the teamsters” and as a member I’m just shaking my head.
These drivers are gonna make up the brown shirts.
When I heard that guy on Rev Left radio say that I nearly burst out laughing. The understanding most leftists have of the labor movement is pathetic.
Yeah, the labor standards that existed in the pre 2000s are vastly different to how divided and diverse labor is today. There is a clear divide in labor between what one would see as “youth labor” not highschoolers but younger people working in non traditional labor settings (Starbucks, Whole Foods, Amazon, etc), these individuals are most commonly politically opposed to the usual political leanings of “older insular labor” these are the old unions filled with mainly male workers (commonly older and conservative) who have at best “traditional democratic” values and at worst are chuds in everything but name. The Teamsters, though they may have younger members, are a traditionally male and older worker union that sadly has a lot of trappings preserved from the 1960s-70s with no clear coherent understanding or unwillingness to understand historically what has been done to labor unions over the last four decades (or they just don’t give a shit).
If we elect Frank Sobotka to get them to start dredging by the old grain pier, well be back on top
Given the situation in Palestine, getting in bed with the Greeks might not be a bad idea if the money helps with harm reduction.
He isn’t even Greek
I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt for thinking of a plan to have a successful revolution in America, but winning over the teamsters to help form a vanguard party (especially on the ideas of internationalism) to me feels as fantastical as a communist winning the presidency and dismantling the empire from the inside.
Wait, do communists have a union to fight against their exploitation by the communist functionaries?
Yes. Communism doesn’t mean exploitation no longer exists, it just means you seek to reduce it as much as possible. Inequality will always exists, and it can be as local as your manager forcing you to work uncompensated overtime without knowledge or consent from the party or government. You can have all the communist laws and theories, but you still need people to make sure those laws and theories are understood and practiced. Shitty management will exist regardless of ideology because not everyone is cut out for it.
Chuds aren’t exactly known to be smart.
recently quit my union because it was sending money directly to labour (UK) and they advocated for a 3.6% wage increase this year.
I quit and explained my rents going up by 12%, my bills by more and that they should be ashamed for accepting the lies labour told them that there ‘is simply not any money’
The other union that represents my interests just voted to strike instead, guess where im going
hell yeah
https://teamster.org/2024/09/teamsters-no-endorsement-for-u-s-president/
The end of that basically says “Harris is better but we’re afraid of upsetting our members so no endorsement”.
I totally agree. This seems like an “uh, oh, we fucked up. How do we reverse this?” kind of decision after posting their polling results on Twitter.
Really shouldn’t have posted results, or polled at all. That information is only likely to make workers less likely to join, whether it leans one way or another it’s likely to make the other side less likely to join. I would not join a union that is full of tories, full stop, I know most well-meaning libs that support labour wouldn’t either. But I also know that tories wouldn’t join a union if they knew it was like all lefties or whatever.
It’s just not a good way to organise. It’s publishing information that you know will cause division.