From the perspective of someone who sometimes has some cash to redistribute on here, I just want to provide some feedback on the semi-recent rule changes in this comm. I don’t think all of them are working and I think this comm needs just a little bit more attention to rectify the situation!
First, and I hope least controversial: the sidebar desperately needs to be updated to reflect the actual updated rules.
Second, similarly uncontroversial, the rules should generally actually be enforced. Not enforcing them consistently is worse than not having them in some cases. This ties into several other issues.
Third thing, clarity is needed on whether or not payment details are allowed in the form of not (immediately) personally identifiable usernames. The rule rn says PII/opsec leaks aren’t allowed and that payment links aren’t, but usernames seems more gray. I thought that usernames weren’t allowed at all until I re-read the post, and judging by the variety of different approaches to providing payment details in recent posts, I’m not the only one unsure.
Fourth thing, I think that strongly encouraging people to update their posts when they receive aid is a good thing for helping spread the community’s limited aid resources around more where they are needed most. That’s good guidance and I wish everyone did it!
Fifth, and to me personally, one of the most important, I am less likely to send money, if I have to effectively dox myself to the poster to do it, and when I have to ask for payment details over DM, that’s basically what I’m doing (its trivial to correspond who I am by timing and payment method, even if multiple people do send them money, doubly so over multiple different posts over time). It’s one thing for them to know my name or my venmo or whatever, but when they can tie that name to a specific hexbear account I start to go from “keeping the risk in mind” to “I don’t think that’s a risk I’m willing to take”. So while I can understand the urge to not have posters dox themselves, the reverse is also true.
Sixth, as a result of having to DM for payment details (both because of the doxing risk and just the extra steps for both parties), mutual aid posters are currently incentivized to violate or skirt around grey areas of the rules if they want to get more aid. Combined with the lax enforcement/unclear rule, this creates a really sucky situation where people in need are punished monetarily for trying to follow the rules.
Seventh, related to #2/maybe #1 and others, I am of the opinion the comm probably needs another mod or two, it’s pretty active and can be a fraught topic when there are disputes, and currently there only seems to be one active mod?
A further revision of the rules to explicitly allow non-doxxing payment methods to be published, followed by an update to the sidebar, would be greatly appreciated tbh. Or something like that. I appreciate all the work done to keep this site safe and functional and such, but these little issues have been nagging at the back of my mind for months now and needed to get out.
Thoughts?
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“Creating mooches” is a pretty reactionary framing. Because we live in capitalist hellworld, and there’s a limited amount of disposable income to redistribute between us, there’s a genuine case to be made for needing to build people’s capacity up to where they can support themselves, which I think is what most askers here would want anyhow. But the way that you build people up isn’t by saying ‘no more aid for you, back to the streets with ya’
Over the internet, you do not know what’s going on in any of these people’s lives. You can’t. And so you don’t have any way to know if you’re “creating mooches.” Nobody is forcing you to give money to anyone, you could just block the comm and never think about it again frankly, or just mentally note people that you feel are undeserving or have received enough, and don’t give them money, nobody would know. If you have a problem with other people giving money to the same people repeatedly, maybe mind your own business tho
Likewise, it makes more sense to use that money on actual people you know and can see opposed to internet strangers whose intention or conditions you cant possibly know.
Let me know in a year if these people actually rebuilt themselves to support themselves- that is if they get banned by a powertripping mod before that can happen.
Hypothetically pearl clutching about mooches is not the same thing as generating an environment for people who are abusing other people’s kindness and work.
rich coming from a brand new account stirring shit.
You cant say anything on a main without getting banned by a mod unless its verbatim what they think or say. Ive seen someone get banned here for saying all US politicians are bad to the wrong mod. Lol
guess I’ve just gotten incredibly lucky that all of my accounts over the years have only caught one comm level ban, and I was genuinely probably in the wrong on that one. Once in a while they’re trigger happy but its not that bad, and the accounts here are anonymous and disposable anyhow
Its unwelcoming to see people get life bans over minor things, especially in a community that’s supposed to see value in contradiction analysis. It really empties out any hope you may have in people.
“Ruthless criticism of all things” doesn’t give you license to JAQ off about denying aid to people in need and using Welfare Queen rhetoric. I’d like to see what you mean about someone getting banned for saying all US politicians being bad, the modlog is searchable so if that really happened it should be provable.
People get banned all the time for minor things, im not going to take the time to search that example up, for what reason? It doesnt matter, it wont change any opinions. Whoever that person was is probably long gone now.
Any negative comment on the state and nature of the mutual aid is right wing reactionary welfare queen rhetoric, theres no way to question peoples intentions without getting jacketed as a reactionary. This place is not actually serious about that and especially when a mods ego gets tripped. It’s hard to believe that anyone thinks that Hexbear doesn’t have issues with its mods.
Obviously at the end of the day, dont give anyone money and follow your own advice. I cant help but feel bad for the white liberals getting rolled by people who have no intention of not getting free shit or literal children not having formed enough dignity to know when its appropriate to ask for help and when its not. Instead of doing epic praxis online why not use that money for irl?
I don’t believe that. Care to link the thread? There’s a modlog where we can see such things.