@Springtime Yeah it’s pretty astonishing to me that this is being spun as a big positive.
I’m imagining rich tourists in their cars, driving the perimeter road and looking at the park through their car windows instead of people riding their bikes. It’s stupid. This shouldn’t be celebrated
Stanley Park bike lane is a staple. The park doesn’t need that many roads tbh
Can someone explain something to a newcomer of the city?
“Early in the pandemic lockdown, bicycle traffic was moved onto the road, which became car-free. This got bikes off the seawall, to increase physical distancing for pedestrians. This is when access truly was barred to anyone who could not get to the park on foot or by bike. Eventually, after some twists and turns, one road lane was reopened to vehicles, the other reserved for cyclists. Bikes were also allowed back onto the seawall. But some people called for the return of both road lanes to vehicular traffic.”
Why do we need a road the perimeter of Stanley park? Are there businesses / residences that will be inaccessible otherwise? Or are we just encouraging people to burn fuel going for sight seeing joyrides?
And Counter Point (for the sake of playing devil’s advocate here):
Aren’t there enough bike trails in Stanley Park that it shouldn’t really matter?I feel like I’m not grasping the issue correctly here and would appreciate further clarity on what is actually going on here…
People love to bring up accessibility whenever cars vs. [any other form of transit] come up, because it’s a convincing argument on the same level as “somebody please think of the children.” Because of course the only way grannie can get to Third Beach is by car, straight from her doorstep to the bottom of the stairs. And the only way that can ever be possible is if we build a four lane road to handle them all, and add another acre of parking to fit all those extra cars that appeared for some reason. (See also: Granville Island).
I’m being facetious, but it is a hilariously popular argument. There are very good reasons to have a functioning road there, but while we’re talking about accessibility, cramming bikes and pedestrians together on that section of the seawall is not it, and I’d argue it is a more serious accessibility issue than the road being congested. It was nice having that separation.
And alas, those other trails through the park are lovely, but they aren’t very comfortable or efficient on a road bike.
Yeah, the ‘accessibility’ argument really gets under my skin. Like they seem to completely forget that there’s a whole range of accessibility needs, and there’s lots of people who are physically unable to drive (and quite a few who probably shouldn’t) but who can walk, bike, or even operate a small scooter or other mobility aid.
They also love to call proponents ‘ableist’, like we’re expecting grannie to dress up in lycra and pedal her way to the park.
And finally, they’re arguing for changing a road with 1 car lane back to 2 car lanes. Not sure how that makes things more ‘accessible’ than they were before. I’d even be willing to bet that there’s been no significant change in travel times along the road since the switch.
