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I would laugh if this wasn’t beyond grim. Grinding young and old so US companies can extract profit from an entire continent.
When talking about this with my lib friends, I suggested that maybe if Ukrainans went back in time to 2022, they might have decided that suing for peace in exchange for land would have been a better outcome than all the death and destruction that was about to come. He immediately retorted that, if we went back in time, that we should have spent a trillion dollars on weapons and marched on Moscow. I expected strong pushback during that conversation but I honestly didn’t expect “we should have had an even more horrific war and given even more money to the military industrial complex”
Classic lib, thinking that if they spend more money on weapons, more weapons will just magically appear.
Spending any amount of money won’t do them any good unless they’ve figured out a way to convert capital into brand new, full grown adult males to wield these weapons.
I think we must laugh, what else is there to do for them now? Apart from explaining this was mostly people who didn’t want to fight who fought, pressed into it by neonazis and NATO mercenaries, and all the war’s supporters have been hiding out in the West plugging their ears. Once everyone understands the premises, I think we can laugh.
The only decision for these guys is to march on Kyiv or surrender to the Russians. If they don’t, that’s their choice to sit and die while some Ahkmat soldier screams for gods blessing while their trench gets assaulted.
lose with American help
lose without it
Z needs more coke money so he needs more men for the meat grinder. Such a good and obedient vassal state, dying instead of surrendering. If only Z had read a fuckin book about American foreign policy the past 60 years(use and abuse less powerful countries)
Yes this whole thing gives me strong South Vietnam vibes
Thinkin bout the quote from that ARVN commander about how they were gonna show those commie bastards the superiority of the south.
Lmao libs still coping thinking that more weapons or a special shipment of wunderwaffe will fix the war this time, trust me!
Liberals are dreamers who believe in the power of positive thinking. They live in a fantasy land where they can wish for things to happen without any regard for practicality or reality. Their idealist views lead them to ignore pesky details such as production capabilities and supply chains, leaving them with fanciful expectations that never come to fruition.
It also keeps them from moving past “Russia bad” and asking why exactly is this conflict happening.
exactly
Semi-random highlight from lemmy.ml today:
Basically what happens when you’ve been told that you’re a gifted child all your life.
Protagonist syndrome. And on related notion, look for what i got some downvotes lol:
lol
Always projection. Always.
And then China will produce another order of magnitude more than that, I mean they already have 232x the shipbuilding capacity of the US
just adorable.
Honestly that might be it. That’s also why they get so angry when they encounter a leftist/socialist online who says “I won’t vote for Biden”, and why they more or less randomly decided that speaking Trumps name was verboten.
Ukraine showed that NATO ground weapons are nothing special. Iran’s strike showed that all of the West’s best air defense can be neutralized reliably. Bad day for NATO stans.
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Who will win? One large international military empire of modern nations or one smol sanctioned pirate band?
ONE PIECE REFERENCE
in all seriousness, Mao was right all along, the Imperialists are paper tigers.
What’s the reference? I never watched it.
Mao was so based.
One large international military empire
World Government
smol sanctioned pirate band
Straw hats (no grand fleet)
One piece is about a small band of pirates trying to find a legendary treasure. Along the way, the often get involved with people from all across the world and have to fight tyrannical governments, crime Lords and the world government (which is basically that world’s NATO, but on steroids).
The funniest part is that one of the Ansar Allah guys that was interviewed kind of looks like the protagonist of one piece, and also called it his favorite anime.
nazis putting all their hopes in wunderwaffe? huh. that’s new.
We just need to fit the ghost of Kyiv with British lasers….
It seems like Ukraine needs to pitch a subscription model…
For a small price of $50 billion a month you can help us send just enough young men into the meat grinder that we maintain a stalemate with evil Putin.
If you are late for payment we will send our president to give you a 7 days notice that Putin will takeover/destroy everything here if you fail to pay. Interest is added if late due to men finding clubbing more interesting that dying when we don’t have artillery shells
The horrifying part is that they are already doing that. They didn’t just adopt their draconian mobilization law for no reason.
Western weapons failed utterly during the Zapo Offensive, so back when they were sending weapons Ukraine was still losing.
That’s sort of the elephant in the room, the west was in the best position they were ever going to be in last summer. The balance of power shifted significantly in Russia’s favor since then as even western media openly admits now. If Ukraine couldn’t make any progress back then it’s obvious that there’s no path to victory now.
“The West’s failure to send weapons to Kyiv is putting Putin on course for victory.”
Really? I could have sworn that Ukraine’s failure to effectively fight back after breaking the ceasefire was what put Russia on a course for victory. Huh.
yeah but you can’t print something so honest in western media
This is tankies’ fault. Because they have immense influence on whether money is sent to Ukraine with their tweets and posts
Tankie sends Zelensky a mean tweet and
he doesn’t give any orders or whatever for a week
President Zelensky, SIR. Just say the word…. We are on standby
Patriots will be delivered to the government in exile in metaverse 🤣
Patreon for Ukrainian military.
For the 50$/mo Patreons you’re name will be stitched onto the uniforms of soldiers.
for free (joining the Ukrainian military) your name can also be stitched onto the uniform of a soldier (you)
The Russians spent the first half of the war making any number of major errors (though the initial plan of a push along the coast with decapitation strikes on Kiev and Kharkov was sound if risky, and if not for a bunch of things going wrong would have worked.)
But now they’ve adapted, and it’s not just lack of arms that Ukraine is facing. Whats allowing for these grinding advances are the very thing they’re mocking on twitter, light fast unarmoured infiltration attacks establishing bridgeheads and pathfinding through mines. In a world of cumbersome AFVs and effective anti tank rounds it’s the right approach, can’t die if you’re in close quarters before the drone can see you.
What does remain to be seen is if Russia can establish a true strategic breakthrough. I’ve yet to see that they can, they should have been able to manage it when severodonetsk fell but didn’t. Avdiivka was promising though.
I think there’s a lot of spin in western media regarding what happened at the start of the war. Russian main goal was to get Ukraine to negotiate, and they almost achieved that before Bojo intervened. The secondary goal was to pin the troops in western Ukraine which allowed taking a lot of key territory in the south that ensured there was a land bridge to Crimea.
When the negotiations broke down, Russia started doing ordered withdrawal instead of trying to hold on to territory they knew they couldn’t hold with the size of the army they had. They also started erecting layered defences in the south that broke Ukraine’s summer offensive.
People in the west have been very focused on the territorial gains, but Russia has been fighting this as a war of attrition from the start. The main objective has been to degrade Ukrainian military while increasing the strength of Russian army. So, even though there were obviously a lot of teething problems at the start, looking back it seems that the overall strategy was fairly sound all along.
What they’re doing now is pushing all across the front which is forcing Ukraine to use up whatever reserves they have to simply hold the line. This is not a sustainable situation for Ukraine. It’s also worth noting that over time Ukraine loses more and more experienced soldiers who are replaced by conscripts. Eventually there’s going to be an inflection point where there simply aren’t enough professional soldiers to hold the core of the army together.
I very much expect that we’ll be seeing more breakthroughs like Avdeevka, but we’re unlikely to see any big arrow offensives because those are very costly. It’s just going to be steady pressure until there’s a collapse on the Ukrainian side. Once the collapse starts, then things will likely accelerate quickly from there.
I tend to agree. Though i think we’ll need at least the fall of pokrovsk to trigger a collapse and that will require at least some manoeuvre war to be done this year
It’s possible that we’ll see Russia take Kharkov in the near future, which I think might be the biggest city. If that happens, it’ll completely destroy the morale, and could be a catalyst that triggers the collapse.
Oh absolutely if it falls before Pokrovsk, but until Iziym is recaptured or Belarus declares war I can’t see that happening.
Agreed, I think it this could drag on for another six months easily. Biden admin will also do everything in their power to keep the show running until the election is over.
Russian officials are saying the next two months will have large advances.
Unprecedented
I guess ghost of Kiev can’t do all the carrying after all.
