I tried it recently. It worked. Problem, contrarian in the back row? :troll:

  • Dolores [love/loves]@hexbear.net
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    2 years ago

    im confused about this post, maybe im not familiar enough with online debate-bros but i though the ‘paradox of tolerance’ was just about not tolerating people who aren’t tolerant?

    how does a fascist or liberal use the concept of ‘fascists cannot be allowed in a tolerant society’ to their ideological ends? why did this concept need fixing?

    • Philosoraptor [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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      2 years ago

      It’s a (supposed) paradox in the following sense:

      1. All viewpoints should be tolerated in society
      2. Intolerant views should be tolerated in society.
      3. If you tolerate intolerant views, sometimes society will collapse into intolerance as those views become prevalent.
      4. Therefore, tolerance is self-undermining.

      This is dumb because (1) is just false. You don’t have to give a fancy theoretical reason distinguishing between moral and social facts: just reject the premise.

      • Dolores [love/loves]@hexbear.net
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        2 years ago

        but 3 & 4 already problematize absolute tolerance? how does one read through those points and come away with the idea society should be tolerant of nazis? :jesse-wtf:

      • I’m so confused because I knew all of this but still don’t understand how that can be used to further anyone’s ideology but ours.

        The whole reason you bring up the paradox of tolerance is to tell liberals “No, we can’t allow the fascists to speak, we need to beat the shit out of them because if you don’t they’ll break everything”

        How do you read this and come away with the conclusion “we must have absolute tolerance”?